Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The only thing in high sec? Of course not.
But a large chunk of it, damn right.

Have a look at any day's online population.
On any given day, there is between 3% and 7% of the entire online population in the Incursion constellation.
The percentage of all the high sec players, obviously higher.

I would love to know how many null sec players depend on incursions to build up their wallets to support their null sec lifestyle.
(One of the low sec bloggers posted how a hundred test players rolled through his system enroute to running incursions).

So yeah, you call it rubbish. I call it fact.

CCP has made it clear that not only is it "PvP first" when designing a ship, it is "PvP ONLY".
CCP wants explosions?
CCP wants people (outside of the null sec cartels, who are drowning in cash) able to afford the shiny ships and supercaps?

Then they have to let people keep the tools that allow them to PvE.
Right now, that is clearly not the direction that CCP is looking.

CCP Ytterbium, please send the analysis team back to drawing board!

Why everything you suggests ends up in a Missionrunner Paladin nerv?

Your Suggestions for Paladin Resists
Armor resists: 50% EM / 80% EX / 62.5% KIN / 35% THERM
Current Resists
Armor resists: 50% EM / 40% EX / 34.375 % KIN / 35% THERM
Blood Raiders do EM and Thermal Damage, with my Paladin I fly against Blood Raiders. I will just loose the Repair Bonus. For Angels I would choose another hull.

I do not need the "7.5% bonus to Large Energy Turret optimal range" bonus. I am flying with Tachyons. If I have to fight on 70km plus I just switch the lenses; most NPCs will not do damage in this range anyway.

Having different Bastion modules for different play/flying styles sounds like a good idea. Leave the base hull mostly alone and use the relevant Bastion module to tweak ship bonuses and performance.

That's basically the gist of my proposal as well. Have a base hull that is usable "as is" for most purposes and use the bastion module to apply bonuses and drawbacks to perform a specialized role. Unless I misunderstand post.

If it were a large chunk...

Your numbers are nice, but how many players of that 3 - 7 % actually run incursions? Can't be that much.

Which makes the incursion "chunk" tiny. Miniscule. More like incursion crumbs.

Face it, your bitching about the marauder changes is pointless moaning, the first iteration they would've made them just plain better.

Even with the second iteration and the pointless web bonus they're still better than before.

Great feedback here. I'll try to describe the roles for each bastion module and how I can see them being used. If there's a better or more balanced way to get there I'm all about it.

CWS (long range)
I want a CWS fit Marauder to be "better" than a T1, faction, or pirate hull when deployed at range in a few aspects:

• Faster locking times
• Better range
• Better damage projection and through projection increased application
• Situationally better mobility through MJD use
• Less disruption from EWAR

The drawbacks to this increased performance over T1, faction, and pirate hulls should center around:

• Immobility during enhancement
• More susceptible to getting caught by close range opponents

The loss of incoming RR would make them far weaker than the T1, faction, and pirate hulls deployed at the same distances. I'm not sure the better application on somewhat equivalent raw damage would overcome this drawback.

Beachhead
I really like your suggestion of swapping the self-rep bonus on the beachhead version for a bonus to RR amount. However, I'm not sure it would make sense for a ship to be able to disrupt others RR in an area while having a bonus to their own outgoing RR. It would make it much more useful in the role of "landing pad" though. Beachhead Marauder posts up in the enemy's line disrupting their RR chains while his buddies land. He would then be able to provide short range RR to them as they engage. The limited range on those RR modules would balance it out pretty well. Here's what I'd like them to do in their roles:

• Create a small pocket of space that is undesirable for the enemy to remain within. This does not have to mean it's the Marauder being deadly but provides a disadvantage for remaining
• Have enough temporary staying power to enable holding on till help arrives but not be invincible in small group engagements
• This is really geared towards "owning" a piece of land for a short period of time for a strategic purpose

It's a fine line between commanding a location strategically and just being over powered. I didn't want the Marauder's raw damage to go up in this situation but be able to better apply it to any that might be within a limited range. I'm kind of OK with the weakness to damps and an already restricted range. There needs to be some kind of counter strategy available that doesn't require "bring more ships" :)

damn..i hope they dont EMORAGEQUIT over nerd bashing...

aye nothing against 'increase ours while decreasing theirs (see energy vampires :D )

and the advantage to being at long range is the enemy can't hit you - and there are two primary ways to deal with this:

the first is to hit at the same range with heavy guns, (alpha fleet doctrine) - RR "cannot stop" alpha strikes anyway, and i'm already EWAR immune so it's not like they can jam me out or anything to mitigate my dps long enough to get a warp in for the second option, which is to crash tackle them with a blink warp (the original inspiration behind the MJD) - my defense is my range and insane damage application.


as for the close range setup:

- vulnerable to enemy energy warfare,
-vulnerable to enemy ECM
-vulnerable to enemy TD and damps
-vulnerable to being bumped by fast/heavy tackle

-under an intense amount of enemy firepower (fighting at close range means everything on the field can hit you)

my comment regarding the damps was that if i get damped i loose RR, i loose my ability to counter attack and all i can then do is sit there and die, there's a great deal of pressure sources coming at me at those ranges and i have to compete with all of them, doesn't take many damps to knock 100km range down to 20 - and at less than 10 i can't use RR anymore to even maintain my defense let alone my offense - very vulnerable from outside this control zone, and so reducing weapon range significantly should be enough.

part of what makes an area of space undesirable to be in is that my side is more powerful than yours within this area, and nearly as powerful when you're not (as you've demonstrated an understanding of)

but there is a very very large tonnage of bricks falling down on my head from inside and beyond this area that i have to be able to endure to make this idea effective - which is why i suggested allowing the marauders an RR bonus to help alleviate some of the strain in order to remain viable - part of being a close range combatant is that you have to be able to cope with every option the enemy has on the field, as you're right in the face of all of them at the same time.


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the primary thought being is i have very limited supply of incoming capacitor to fuel RR modules, it's not much of an ask to see a few t1 battleships charge in (tempests are a very good example, the curse is another) with a few neuts and kick my tank out from under me)

so added to the fact that i have to deal with these aswell as the multitudes of ECM it starts to get to be a bit too much pressure for my limited range combat effectiveness.

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What u think about

7.5% bonus to the velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level

change to

37,5% bonus to the range factor of stasis webifiers per level

so u get proper web range on bs sized ships.

Another question how cruise sized ships after rebalanced have 125m3 bandwidth and so huge drone-bays and bs in comparison just sucks, also is same question with size of cargo-bays, combat ships need separate ammo bays.

I support the idea of two separate bastion modules, rather than scripting. Make the pilot commit before undocking.