Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The bastion Mod needs scripts.

This IMO will give us the ability to choose how we want to use the ships

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I would first remove the web bonus from the hull.


Then i would have one script that increases the effectiveness of webbs and increases tracking/ explosion velocity for missiles


then have a script that increases the range of webs and velocity of missiles and optimal/falloff.

as for what to do with the remaining 4th bonus on the hulls?

i would look at each ship as see what thier niche is and give them a bonus in that direction.

if the kronos is dps then give it a rate of fire bonus

if the pal is lazors give it a tracking bonus

if the vargur is tanking then give it back its tanking bonus

if the golum is missiles then give it a missile velocity bonus (would make torps sick in bastion mode)

so now if you want to use range you can put in the range script and use long range webs and blasters

or if you are going close range you can swap for better close range web and tracking.

Velocity bonus to webs... on ships with long range as the primary focus... This makes no sense. T2 webs are only 9km range.

wheres the trator beam bonus? i wouldnt fly one if theres no trator beams since cnr is better at killing.

I want my marauder skill points back .

Well, that's one reason why I don't feel the web bonus is wise.

Basically you can MJD away and snipe from range, moving on when anything gets near...
or MJD to range, kill all the tacklers on the way in, and then just stand your ground vs the larger stuff with your tanking bonuses.

Either way, the majority of your slots would not need to be devoted to tank. Instead they could be devoted to damage/damage application modules (I realize this is a bit counter intuitive to many mission runners, ratters, etc, but often more than a minimal tank would be sufficient). Even if you don't get all the tacklers, or if you start to get overwhelmed in damage (because you went a bit too lean on your tank) you just MJD away because NPC"s don't scram.

Fitting in this fashion should yield some pretty nice numbers in the gank dept.

Don't take my points personally, I'm not trying to be snarky at all. Your thoughts are well reasoned. In fact, also agree that this concept needs work to give it a cohesive focus. But either proposal could be used effectively vs. NPC's in most situations (except possibly Incursions) as is if needs be, and have a few PVP applications as well. But I'm with you, I think they could do better to make a sensible package out of it.

better at killing what?

does it do more potential dps? how does that dps apply?

Only the web bonus is stupid. Make it a damage bonus and Absolutely EVERYONE that used Marauders can bennefit from it.

Damage bonus would fit in better with the range aspect that I think(?) CCP was going for with the original changes.

However, a tracking bonus would be useful too (for ships that don't already have one) in place of the web since they serve a similar purpose.

I have to say this looks just plain wrong. It looks like the red-haired stepchild of a drunken night between a RNI and a Vindicator. There's no direction with these bonuses.

Most PvEer's comments I've seen is "MJD out there and snipe those frigs"
Most Incursioners comments I've seen is "Get in there and web those frigs"

The Golem can do neither. Even with Cruise Missiles, the above bonuses, 2x Rigor IIs, 3x RBTPainters and 2x Domination Webs,.. and frigs heading straight towards me, I'm gettin' 423 DPS to 14km and 139 DBS to 45,.. from theoretically 8 Cruise Launchers.

With Torps as we all know,.. it'd be even worse!

Sure Gunnery Marauders can 1-Blap Frigs as they're barreling straight at you, a Vargur has little change in DPS between Frigs, Cruisers and BCs given the "straight at you" situation,.. which can be controlled and reset every 54-57 seconds. The Golem (in my experience) requires Light Drones to deal with frigates. Elite Frigates get pounded as EWAR happens,.. the rest are ignored until I vacuum up a mission site.

Please remove this Web Bonus on the Golem's Hull. While the Target Painting Bonus is useful against Cruisers+,.. the Web Bonus has no use on a ship that can't apply damage to frigates in the first place. A bonus to TORPEDO Velocity would be appreciated,.. because sure, applying Cruise Missile DPS ASAP is great,.. when your targetting range is only 250km,.. and your midslots are tied up with TPs and a new MJD, who has the room for a Sensor Booster.

Do as others have stated and put the web bonus in a script for the Bastion module, I really can't see how webbing frigates will benefit Large Missiles at all,..

Though if someone could point out how I COULD use Webs on frigates with Large Missiles,.. I'm all ears,..

Ah there you are wrong Mate. Amarr racial enemy, the Minmatar, deal ALL damage types. Thats why Amarr should have more of a omni tank (but still with exlpo/kin being the highest).

The problem is that while in PvP I can cover resist holes with modules - I don't care where the hole is - I will be omni tanked anyway (so the resists spread is of lesser consequence in PvP). But for PvE I am forced to cover em/thermal hole (coz Paladin being a lazor ship should fight sansha/blood what escapes some peoples attention here...) while Kronos and Golem can use those slots for damage projection mods. Thus Kronos/Golem are much more effective at PvE because they can focus on dealing dmg (faster mission speed) while in my Paladin I have to cover my resist holes first. That is HUGE disadvantage.

Also remember: with laser I can't chose my dmg types. So I'm forces to either fight rats which hit my resist holes or rats that have high resists against lasers. So its lose/lose scenario. Vargur is less affected coz it can fight all rats (can change dmg types), Golem the same, while Kronos has highest resists for rats that it's weaponry is good against.

Again for PvP I will be omni tanked anyway and will cover any large hole no matter which one is it. Just change Paladin resists profile so its better for PvE, so it can fit damage projection mods in lows instead of tank mods.