Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well, didn't you use it for the last months when the other guys couldn't buy it? So you already have your compensation there...

I think your concerns about the rorqual are valid, but bear in mind that ccp have no intention of disabling off-grid mining boosts, at least for now.

I'd personally like to see a world where it was possible to mine with on-grid bonuses, but I think before that could possibly happen there would need to be a long hard look at cyno, covert cyno and bridging mechanics.

They currently all make it far too easy to bring an overwhelming fleet with almost no warning or possibility of escape.

Ironically, the only place I can see that a rorqual can be used on grid with a degree of certainty that it will come home is in a wormhole system (with appropriate scouts etc) since cynos and bridges do not happen there.

It saddens me a little that the most use we ever gave our rorqual was salvaging C5 sleeper wrecks while the dreadnoughts were creating them. It was ludicrous! We also used it in pvp a little (the owner was a little nuts... )

Thank you for your response, it is nice to see that at least some1 is sharing my concerns somewhat. But tbh I would rather hear something form ccp themselves about this subject. That ccp has the intention to remove off-grid boosting for mining is reason enough for me to be worried about where this all will be going.

I would like to hear from ccp why off-grid mining boosting is wrong and why it needs to be rebalanced.
The only reason I can think of is to provide the army of gankers and hot droppers with even more easy kills.
Speaking of which, the reason that I have time to write this is because there are at least 3 cov op cynos (and just as many gangs) active in my neighbourhood right now. And without any effective measures to counter these gangs (rebalance this pls ccp) I have no choice other than to sit in my pos untill they get bored and go away. Did I mention that I am slowly losing interest in this game?

Without rebalancing blops gangs and giving us a way to counter these overpowered gangs there is nothing balanced about this game and on-grid mining boosting should be out of the question.

I think everything is fine and balanced enough as it is, mining has become just as dangerous as ratting.
Now if the reward for mining would be the same as for ratting (risk vs. reward) then things would be really balanced :)

Here is my interpretation about what ccp means by rebalancing (at least for the carebear part of it):
Make it harder for ppl to make isk while at the same time make it easier to kill ppl that are trying to make isk.

Oh hey, maybe I should reskill my alts for blops and join the ranks and just gank every carebear I see silly untill he cries and ragequits. Beats sitting in my pos for sure and is probably more profitable as well than mining with all the down time. Soon we can call this game gankers online, cloaky camping online, blops online or whatever.
We should not forget that miners are the corner stone of eve, without them a simple frig wil cost +100mil or we will all be flying around in our rookie ships. Just my 2c.

First off, I am not paraoid about cloaking, I just think it needs to be rebalanced as well, which makes this the appropriate thread to post my concerns regarding on-grid mining boosting and the frequency of the now o so popular blops gangs.
Second I am not a solo miner, I have hosted big mining fleets but numbers have been dropping lately beacuse of said cloaky camping, ganking.

Sounds like your big mining fleet needs protection or to move to high-sec or wormhole space, away from such gangs.

Cloaking and stealth mechanics in general do not seem to be in for any spectacular change any time in the near term if ever. If CCP manage to come up with a good fix that leaves them still useful then they will probably implement it but over 2 years of complaints and player suggestions have not yielded anything so far.

For mining they are not, in null sec you just make a little more than mining in hi sec while the risks are much bigger, certainly post Odyssee. Addng on-grid mining boosts will only furhter unbalance this.



I am part of a large null sec group, we do hunt these gangs with a passion. But do you have any idea what it takes to trap these gangs? Or even their cynos? With hit and run (read bridge in and out) tactics these gangs are long gone before we can even form up a fleet to counter them. And even if we do they just cloak up and bridge out. And where will I hire protection and how will I pay them while we are constantly at war with pvp pliots deployed? This shows that the risks of mining in null sec are already big enough without having to add more risks.



You sould not have taken that literally but more as an example of current situation. I am surely no solo player, you can not be in null sec

How do Navy Mindlinks work on strategic cruisers? The patch notes say they boost two links based on the command ship bonus but strategic cruisers have three bonuses.

Each Navy Mindlink boosts the 2 links associated with that race's command ship by the same amount as a T2 Mind-Link. For a T3 Cruiser this works the same as if you had a mind-link boosting only one stat. You get 2 types of links boosted and one that is not.



I'm not talking about mining in Null vs mining in High Sec, I'm talking about mining with boosts vs mining without them. While your Rorqual is tucked away in its POS boosting you're getting +95.7% (post patch) to ore yield, along with 42.2% to capacitor use and laser range. The last two are nice but that ~100% bonus is a huge boost, it doubles the income of everyone in the boosting fleet.

If you don't consider that a big reward then I don't quite know what your definition of "big reward" is...



I stand corrected.



I think you aren't thinking big enough here. They are talking about re-balancing two entire ships when they move links on grid. Since these ships are directly tied to rock mining and therefore the economy I find it hard to believe that they won't be looking at balancing the cost of what you are risking along with the rewards.

This may mean lowering the cost of the Rorqual and/or the Orca, it may mean increasing the benefits of having them on-grid, and it may mean giving them new abilities and functionality to make them more attractive to have on-grid.

I don't think you'd be complaining so loudly if they, say, halved the cost, gave it a bigger cargo capacity, let it mount an local-grid only Cyno-Jammer, let it bonus Siege Links, and increased the mining boost amount.

You just seem to have so little faith in CCP that you think they are going to completely ignore your concerns and those of every other minor, shove the Roqual on-grid without a second glance, and then run off laughing like maniacs because they screwed over the base-line profession that keeps their game running.... all after they said they're going to re-balance these ships before pushing them on-grid.

I suggest either selling your OGB toon while it's still worth a fair amount of money or training it toward combat skills. Either way the intent behind this is over a year old at this point, if not older.

There is no requirement, anywhere, that CCP refund you for something you have gotten use out of because they decide that it is imbalanced. If you were to buy all the skill-books the day before the change went into effect you might have a leg to stand on for getting a refund on the cost of those books but as things stand this complaint and associated requests are patently ridiculous.

You still have your account, he still has his skills, the fact that you choose not to make use of them is entirely your prerogative.

These changes alone are going to be enough to break eve for me, it has taken me a fair amount of money and time to get 2 boosting accounts running along side my main, the severity of the t3 links nerf has directly cost CCP my subscription for those 2 accounts from the end of the month.

That said I do love the changes to command ships and think that needed doing very badly. I would love to see on grid boosting become a viable option. Sadly all you have done is put more of my isk on the field to be blobbed to death and removed nano tactics from the game as a viable option.

No one in lowsec cares how much links affect the big fleets in 0.0, maybe a stacking nerf to links with the number of people in a fleet would have been a better option, but you have ruined the small gang even more than you did with the bloody t1 logi buff.

Thanks again CCP for costing me less every month i may be able to afford star citizen when it comes out.


And for the record, yes im mad bro.