Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If by fair you mean one more combat hull vs a booster....yeah sure.

So you think its reasonable that I trained an alt for over a year, paying subscription for it and paying billions of isk for training and ships, and now I cant use it for what it was intended for?

I bet you would talk differently if YOU where the one that invested all that into a boosting char.

You have used it exclusively for what it's trained for. You are a prime example of why these OGB's are unbalancing in the game.
Use those alts for other things like trading or if you want to go full derp falcon At least then you'll actually have to field them and put something on the line rather than farming 'easy' kills and crying when you get blobbed out.

The people have spoken.

For the record, I have an alt called Goody Twoshoes Virpio. He's trained 40 million skillpoints in scanning and boosting, and he's looking forward to appearing on grid in a boosting ship before too long.

He'll look out for you.

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Apart from OGB, an idea to boosting bonus application in general:


Reading that small gangs get nerfed more than large fleets by the decrease in fleet booster strength, what about the following idea:

The fleet booster bonus could be coupled to the amount of fleet members. The more members in fleet, the smaller the bonus for the single ship. See it a kind of stacking penalty.

This way small fleets could get maximum bonus or minor boost penalties per ship than large fleets. If large fleets want higher bonus, they would have to divide the fleet and/or install more ships with boosters.

The fleet leader could give his bonuses to, say, 50 members, each receiving only a bit of the original bonus. The wing commanders and squad commanders could use ships that "refresh" the bonus or add other bonuses.

This way a large fleet has to take significant efforts to keep their bonuses up.



Another thought is that only the booster ship and the hierachie level below gets full bonus, each sub-level down the ships gets, say, half of the upper level.

- A fleet commander boosting wings boosts each wing commander with 100% of the original bonus, the squad commanders get 1/2 the bonus and the squad members get only 1/4 of the fleet booster bonusses.

- The wing commanders can give their own boosts to 100% to the squad commanders and 50% to the squad members.

- A single squad with 10 ships plus squad commander could have full boost bonuses without penalty.


It might become challenging to predict the concrete bonus to your ship in that large fleet but hey, fleet is a complicated thing (overhead, computing power) and blob is uncool anyway, right?

How is that?

The more I think about it, the more I agree with the guy who suggested we just get rid of gang links.

They're actually silly and generate unrealistic and indefensible effects.

Arnour does not get harder because people are communicating, engines do no generate more thrust because there are other ships in your fleet.

In a scenario involving on-grid boosting, you could argue that targeting may become more accurate if there is a central command centre co-ordinating the data from the entire fleet's sensor arrays, but none of the command links actually do this (increasing tracking or missile explosion velocity would be a reasonable proxy for this effect).

The information warfare links are probably the only reasonable (in terms of realism) ones available - and they're the last ones I choose in a small fleet, being nowhere near as useful as the ridiculous armour or shield hardening ones.

Having a good human FC (a commander) does already increase a fleet's power many times over.

Bin them and use the SP for something more creative.

I dont think your thinking about this right, think of it like this, If you have 20 warships in a fleet with set weaponry, the abilities of each ship is determined by their captain's and crew's ability. When a comander is there he would coordinate the ships so as to mean the least casualties, he does not get involved in the firing and reloading/aiming of weapons.

Yeah, dps increasing gang links is a bad idea :/

The rationale behind it is that commandships have more advanced super computer clusters that can receive telemetry data from a ship and process a more efficient solution and send it back to the ship. (Look at the industry side of command ship/module production). Engines for instances aren't just dumb rocket thrusters but constantly adjusting and monitoring performance - applies to armor, etc. to as it tends to have certain degrees of nanite functionality and so on.

As far as the lore technical side of it goes there is no reason for command ships to need to be ongrid the only thing that doesn't really fit is that a command ship could operate links and be close to unscannable.

The only thing I think needs to be changed is to give a smart player the tools to level the link advantage in smaller localised engagements without having to train a booster alt of their own and without compromising ganglinks in fleet scenarios where they are intended to be used. One tentative proposal in this regard would be some form of ability to leach links from a target (in a predictable manner).

Given EVE lore already says we have FTL coms, trying to claim Radio limitations is silly.

As for why CS comps are better, well obviously they are special hardware. With special operators required (Hence the skills). That do things in a different manner from normal comps so are more effective. The CS also has all the built in Hardware surrounding the needs of those specific links, which could be a lot more than just a few thousand KG's.

So... its quite easy to rationalise exactly how links work & even how OGB's work. You just have to not be narrow minded and ignore any option that doesn't match the conclusion you want to reach.