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[Odyssey 1.1] Warfare Links, Mindlinks, Gang bonuses

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Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-08-01 13:52:25 UTC
this is sexy
Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2013-08-01 13:53:38 UTC
There is a reason why you don't merge all 4 combat links in one and avoid people to destroy implants each time they want to change them and use/give bonus to other type? is not like we can change clones every hour...

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Maximus Andendare
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#23 - 2013-08-01 13:53:58 UTC
Wow this is awesome!

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M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#24 - 2013-08-01 13:54:51 UTC
I like it.

However, I don't fly a links pilot so I don't have a reason to whine.

This will come as a buff to small gang PVP, and it should be interesting to see what this does to the blobs of nullsec.

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Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2013-08-01 13:54:55 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:

And finally we're making some significant changes to the availability of mindlink implants:
  • Adding normal mindlinks (including mining mindlinks) to the Concord LP store for 20,000 Concord LP and 20m isk (~60-80m final product sale price).


    • Dear CCP Fozzie,

    I just bought a Skirmish mindlink for 250 mil & plugged it in. Just want to let you know I love all the changes, but you cost me some isk..

    Kyt

    P.S. The mindlink prices are dropping fast, all you sellers get out while you can!

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    Powers Sa
    #26 - 2013-08-01 13:58:19 UTC
    RIP 96~ km overheated RF warp disruptor on my arazu.

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    Lexar Mundi
    Imperial Shipment
    Amarr Empire
    #27 - 2013-08-01 13:58:36 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    Lexar Mundi wrote:
    Mining links should not be given special treatment...

    Give them an ORE battlecruiser size ship to run links on or something but to let them run links inside shield is pretty lame.


    We do intend to move mining links out of forcefields someday, but we'll want to rebalance the Orca and Rorqual first to make putting them on grid more viable first.


    That is understandable. ty for the fast response.
    Zappity
    New Eden Tank Testing Services
    #28 - 2013-08-01 13:59:49 UTC
    Powers Sa wrote:
    RIP 96~ km overheated RF warp disruptor on my arazu.


    Yeah. That kinda says it all.

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    Bienator II
    madmen of the skies
    #29 - 2013-08-01 14:00:39 UTC
    Quote:
    Warfare links (other than mining links) can no longer be activated inside a starbase forcefield

    holy mother of god

    how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
    Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
    Republic Military Tax Avoiders
    #30 - 2013-08-01 14:01:57 UTC
    Quote:
    The Warfare Processors will now provide a 2% increase in the strength of warfare links per level of their racial defensive subsystem skill. They will also now provide bonuses to three different types of gang links:
    Loki: Siege, Armored, Skirmish
    Proteus: Armored, Skirmish, Information
    Tengu: Siege, Skirmish, Information
    Legion: Armored, Skirmish, Information

    Not balanced at all:
    skirmish - 4 bonuses (all races)
    siege - 2 bonuses
    armored and information - 3 bonuses.

    Swap skirmish bonus on Proteus with siege (there are shield fit gallente ships) to balance things out.

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    Tsubutai
    Perkone
    Caldari State
    #31 - 2013-08-01 14:02:43 UTC
    Looks like a very promising start.
    monkfish1234
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #32 - 2013-08-01 14:03:25 UTC  |  Edited by: monkfish1234
    Edit : I'm ********.
    Kristoffon Ellecon
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #33 - 2013-08-01 14:04:52 UTC
    well on one hand tech3s wont be as good at boosting as command ships

    on the other hand i can have just a single ship boosting all the good kinds of links

    guess I can't really complain, and guess we'll never see any boosting tech3s that aren't lokis
    Rees Noturana
    Red Rock Mining Company
    #34 - 2013-08-01 14:05:01 UTC
    The end of stupidly crazy expensive Mining Foreman Mindlinks. Finally. Wait, I don't mine anymore.

    _ _
    Warde Guildencrantz
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #35 - 2013-08-01 14:05:32 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    Daneel Trevize wrote:
    Basically loving all of this, except:

    A link for boosing insta-locking camps? Really not sure if want. Ugh


    It's just 2% per level with the skill, or a flat 15% instead if you have the mindlink.

    We had some discussion about how it affects instalocking camps, and concluded that it's within reasonable levels, especially considering the recent nerf to remote SeBos.


    you mean the modules that anyone who knows how to actually camp doesn't ever use?

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    Eminence Returned
    Worthless Carebears
    The Initiative.
    #36 - 2013-08-01 14:06:27 UTC
    so, some synthesis:
    Mindlinks are going to be super cheap, and will not be as soulcrushing if you don't have them.
    (if you own a stockpile of industry links, contact me so i may collect your tears)

    orca/Rorqual, you can still sit in your pos and give mining bonuses.

    -1 huggin pilot

    I don't love the changes to defensive bonuses. In fountain, we had enough problems getting alpha'd off the field by whatever was floating by. The fleets out there were so large it really wasnt worth it to bring more logi, everything died as fast as you could lock it, even with max tank armor BS double plated and all 4 hardeners and eanm. You still died as soon as redbox, with defensive bonuses.

    I see how this is great for small gang warfare, but us sov idiots are going to hate losing more tank.

    I love the changes to Command ships themselves, I'm an eos/claymore pilot. <3
    Jack Miton
    School of Applied Knowledge
    Caldari State
    #37 - 2013-08-01 14:08:19 UTC
    Making mining links usable in a FF is pure pandering nonsense.
    That change should be all or nothing.

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    Powers Sa
    #38 - 2013-08-01 14:08:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Powers Sa
    Tsubutai wrote:
    Looks like a very promising start.

    To what? we started this debate on themittani.com a long time ago. Actually 11.5 months ago to be exact.
    For off-grid boosting by Andski: http://themittani.com/features/grid-boosting-argument
    For on-grid boosting by Grath: http://themittani.com/features/case-against-boosters
    In the world of CCP "looking at" stuff, and giving a fix, this is pretty amazing. Thanks fozzie for taking well constructed player arguments into account and working hard on a fix even though at first you guys said it broke a lot of things.

    I will miss my long-**** arazu, lachesis, huginn, rapier, and lokis though.

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    Grarr Dexx
    Blue Canary
    Watch This
    #39 - 2013-08-01 14:09:17 UTC
    Will these navy mindlinks be available from level 5 LP stores? These LP stores are quite deficient in ways to cash out, and I wouldn't mind a boost to these.
    Phoenix Jones
    Small-Arms Fire
    #40 - 2013-08-01 14:11:23 UTC
    Eminence Returned wrote:
    I don't love the changes to defensive bonuses. In fountain, we had enough problems getting alpha'd off the field by whatever was floating by. The fleets out there were so large it really wasnt worth it to bring more logi, everything died as fast as you could lock it, even with max tank armor BS double plated and all 4 hardeners and eanm. You still died as soon as redbox, with defensive bonuses.

    I see how this is great for small gang warfare, but us sov idiots are going to hate losing more tank.

    I love the changes to Command ships themselves, I'm an eos/claymore pilot. <3



    Well if you died immediately with the old stats, your fear is that you'll die faster than immediately with the new reduced stats?

    I know what your saying (just have to poke some fun).

    Yea the hit point loss will suck... but the option to have more than just a damnation/legion helps.

    Yaay!!!!