Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think there should be a little more to differentiate the strategic cruisers from one another. Loki specializes in Skirmish so make the Skirmish boost 3% and the other two leave at 2% and specialize the others as well, Tengu - Siege, etc.


Also, not sure if the current breakdown of the three different bonuses applied to T3s makes much sense. It will require very particular circumstances to choose anything over the Loki. I think if we add a little more incentive like the example I suggested above with the 3% specialization you would see more uses of other ships besides Loki.

Yeah in allot of ways ccp is actually buffing ogbs:

Adding new navy links which give 2 bonuses

Making links much cheaper.

Power grid for links reduced

t3s now provide 3 groups of bonues.

Adding bonus with scan res to boost gate camps.

I can see why those who exploi...use ogbs view this as "fair." They get to use this **** mechanic for the forseeable future.

Update on ending ogbs= Still no end in sight.

Although I do believe off-grid boosters need a nerf. (Free fleetwide caldari navy invulns are OP).

Dropping the boosts by <10% seems to be a bit overkill underwhelming for a first balance?

We demand a much larger nerf to OGBers!!!

You realize the increased the "base" strength of Warfare Links so many of the links provide the same boosts even with the CS's 3% per level?

You realize that at 2% per level, t3's will still provide those boosts at 95.65% of "max effectiveness"?

And you realize that that +1 Falcon or Logi can be countered much more easily than your safed up boosting alt?
And you realize that that +1 Falcon or Logi provides a much, much less force boost than the fleet than that OGB?

We could compare killboards, show off our epeens, and the like, but I don't think that's necessary. I have a lot of small gang and solo experience, and am familiar with "how eve works". When taking on "larger numbers", force multiplication becomes extremely important: Logistics improve your ability to tank the enemy dps; EWAR reduces their effective DPS, increases your own, or removes ships from the fight; and boosters give significant boosts to your ship attributes to further reduce their dps, improve your own repping abilities, and give you some serious tactical advantages.

The truth is, a booster is far more potent than that +1 log, or +1 falcon. The bonuses it gives to everyone in fleet are simply way over the top, and are quite often pragmatically uncounterable! Add to that, your opponent is more likely to "discount' the extra benefits they give you, so the risk adverse PvPBears are more likely to engage as they think they have the upper hand. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean that fleet boosters are in a balanced position. This is especially prevalent in FW space, where OGB'ing is so ubiquitious people think proper soloing involves a dps ship + a loki alt + a tengu/legion alt. At the small gang (<7) and solo level it becomes very difficult to compete without bringing your own boosts, because a single boosting ship essentially adds the equivalent of 10 free rigs (4x hardener rigs, 3x speed rigs, 4x rep rigs, and partridge in a pear tree), to every ship in the fleet. That is why it is boosts need nerfed, as you can't possibly justify that level of boosting without pissing the face of game balance!

A falcon, a Logi, or even a +1 dps on grid is counterable, attackable, and vulnerable. And while those are fare less subtle force multipliers (or additions), especially since real threats are likely to be primaried, they are very much within the scope of game balance. OGBers are NOT!!!!!

Nothing would make me comfortable with optimal gameplay for some characters during a battle being for them to sit at a safespot.