Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Nano Cynabal (no links, no snakes) at 50km

Eagle/Zealot/Deimos/Muninn with relevant ammo -> maximum damage
(No matter which direction the cruiser is facing, awesome transversal or not, etc.)

Heavy missile, faction -> at 50km you won't hit because your missiles are too slow. Unless your ship has a bonus to velocity of missiles.
Cerberus with Faction -> your missiles hit for 30% of maximum damage only.
(Take a usual non-nano cruiser, you still won't do more than 50%, even if he rushes towards you with no transversal.)



"If the target is close missiles will hit better".
Yes. How close though?

Turrets
T2 hi-tracking (and hi-damage) ammo -> arty/beam/rails will still do close to maximum damage to such a nano cruiser when he has top transversal at 20km.
Things only get bad if you get caught under 20km and if the target manage to keep extremely hi transveral (and then, you failed hard and deserve to die :D ).

Missiles
No, even if he gets close and you use precision (low damage) a vanilla cynabal with no boost no snakes will not take more than half of your (very bad) dps. He does not even need to keep a good transversal!


Of course all of this gets even worse with AB, against frigates, or signature bonused ships (HACs, Inties, Talwars, AFs). You simply cannot apply dps reliably to those unless they are webbed and painted.
With turrets, you only need a small instant of low transversal (and you can compensate that with your own speed when you know how to pvp) to hit for max damage (it's still hard to do on inties and AB frigs, but easy on everything else)





Here is the heavy missile problem in a nutshell: damage application is aweful even on unbonused, non-nano cruisers.

Add to this the aweful way CCP has to force all Caldari missile-using cruisers/BC in kinetic only damage, the travel time... And you get the absolute worse weapon system for cruisers/BCs.

I almost forgot to ask.

Are you going to do anything about the utterly obscene amount of PG it takes to fit all but the smallest and most useless of medium rails? Or no?

This would be nice. 10% or even 7.5% reduced PG for 200/250mm rails would allow them to be fit to a cruiser with a reasonable tank.

It's been that way for beams of all classes for ages.

why not rebalance rail guns this way

150's have great tracking
200 have great falloff
150's have great optimal range.

that way ships like the thorax can take advantage of 150's for tracking or the diemos for 200's for fall off or the moa/eagle for 250's for optimal range

Thats just laughable .
CCP does not simply buff Minmatar weapons and ships, yes ?

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/188kfa791ev5xjpg/original.jpg

Compare with the other changes u idiot:

Medium Rails (all sizes and metas):
+15% Rate of Fire
+15% Damage Multiplier
-15% Tracking Speed

Medium Beams:
+25% Damage Multiplier
-10% Tracking Speed

sure 5% dmg boost instead of 10% rof there u go

I stopped using hml-s as probably most people
its dmg is just horrific and even then it cant realy apply it well

it is clear that there is a problem when the rlml outdmges the hml vs cruisers...
and it is not that the rlml too good (before ccp insta nerfs it)

oh and the rook just became nearly useless, its jamms are crappy due to lame ecm nerfs every patch , and now its dps is crappy due to you have to run with hml-s as it has no tank