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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Lexmana
#2721 - 2012-01-25 22:56:25 UTC
Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:
Sorry, but, game can not live from fixes.
Game need new game inside it to live again.

EVE didn't have proper expansion for years now.
And you can see where that lead.

I think that WiS, if done well, is the only thing that can save EVE now.

You are so pessimistic. A good sandbox does not need much new content from the developers. Just look at the sandboxes our kids play in. They work because all the meaningful content is generated by the kids themself. The rest is just sand. EVE is not much different unless you are an incursionbear.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#2722 - 2012-01-26 04:14:29 UTC
A good sandbox needs fresh sand and more sand, always more sand.

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Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#2723 - 2012-01-26 04:55:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Asuka Solo
Nova Fox wrote:
A good sandbox needs fresh sand and more sand, always more sand.


This.

It does not need sand taken out (the kids who can't play nice will do that themselves), or have the sandbox reduced to a sub cap only PvP sandfort box, which is the current case with our new FiS only pew pew direction.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Lexmana
#2724 - 2012-01-26 07:27:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
Nova Fox wrote:
A good sandbox needs fresh sand and more sand, always more sand.


Keep saying that over and over again and you will start to believe in it.

Players need fresh content, always new content.

In a sandbox PvP game all the meaningful content is generated by the players. There is always new content, every single day, unless you are an incursionbear.
Lexmana
#2725 - 2012-01-26 07:28:00 UTC
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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2726 - 2012-01-26 08:05:40 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
A good sandbox needs fresh sand and more sand, always more sand.


No, a good sandbox needs new toys (bucket and spade) to keep things fresh and exciting. Changing the sand every now and again should be done without question, if you don't want your kid to play in filth.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#2727 - 2012-01-26 15:37:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
Rek Seven wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
A good sandbox needs fresh sand and more sand, always more sand.


No, a good sandbox needs new toys (bucket and spade) to keep things fresh and exciting. Changing the sand every now and again should be done without question, if you don't want your kid to play in filth.


Im sorry but your backyard sandcastle will never compete with the massive beach sand castles you keep seeing being built in much larger boxes unless you get more sand. That spade can only dig so deep before you start hitting something that isnt sand and is not as fun to play with and running out of sand is the most horrific thing that can happen.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2728 - 2012-01-26 15:40:54 UTC
Really guys? (Rek Seven and Nova Fox) I think you are both right. New sand, more sand, bigger box, more toys, new toys. All of it leads to a better sandbox. We just need to keep the trolls out so they will stop shitting in our sand.

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Lexmana
#2729 - 2012-01-26 16:17:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
double post
Lexmana
#2730 - 2012-01-26 16:18:20 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
A good sandbox needs fresh sand and more sand, always more sand.


No, a good sandbox needs new toys (bucket and spade) to keep things fresh and exciting. Changing the sand every now and again should be done without question, if you don't want your kid to play in filth.


Im sorry but your backyard sandcastle will never compete with the massive beach sand castles you keep seeing being built in much larger boxes unless you get more sand. That spade can only dig so deep before you start hitting something that isnt sand and is not as fun to play with and running out of sand is the most horrific thing that can happen.


So you are basically saying that EVE would be a better game with 75k star systems instead of 7.5k, with 20k different ships instead of 200, with one miljon different MWDs instead of a couple.

Repeating this "more sand" meme over and over again doesn't make it more true.

Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2731 - 2012-01-26 16:31:03 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
A good sandbox needs fresh sand and more sand, always more sand.


No, a good sandbox needs new toys (bucket and spade) to keep things fresh and exciting. Changing the sand every now and again should be done without question, if you don't want your kid to play in filth.


Im sorry but your backyard sandcastle will never compete with the massive beach sand castles you keep seeing being built in much larger boxes unless you get more sand. That spade can only dig so deep before you start hitting something that isnt sand and is not as fun to play with and running out of sand is the most horrific thing that can happen.


In the analogy we’re using here, the sand box represents the entire gaming world. The beach beyond does not exist but if it did, that beach would represent a completely new and improved game.

But like Vertisce said, we're both kind of right.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#2732 - 2012-01-26 16:35:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Nova Fox
I dont want walls of a sanbox constraining me. I want the whole damn beach! give me dump trucks and metal detectors and shovels at that point. maybe a boat too.

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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#2733 - 2012-01-26 16:37:32 UTC
reading this last page sand is is coming out of my pc


There is a big truckload of Sand going over to the FIS sandcastle and i don,t mind.

as long i can use a bucket full of sand for the WIS part in this sandbox

But i don,t know what type of sand is in this bucket,therefore i don,t know how to build a WIS sandcastle

maybe somebody can tell me what type of sand will be in the bucket or will be in that bucket in the future,so a can imagine that sandcastle and the possibility's on how i sculpt it .

Honey,can you pls get the vacuum cleaner ,there is a pile of sand around my pc

R.S.I2014
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#2734 - 2012-01-26 16:39:20 UTC
WIS sand bucket is there may be a year before the stuff they're trowing in it is dry enough to make a castle with.

SiF features are however cooking rather quilcy and will get ther castle up much faster.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#2735 - 2012-01-26 16:41:06 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
A good sandbox needs fresh sand and more sand, always more sand.


No, a good sandbox needs new toys (bucket and spade) to keep things fresh and exciting. Changing the sand every now and again should be done without question, if you don't want your kid to play in filth.


Im sorry but your backyard sandcastle will never compete with the massive beach sand castles you keep seeing being built in much larger boxes unless you get more sand. That spade can only dig so deep before you start hitting something that isnt sand and is not as fun to play with and running out of sand is the most horrific thing that can happen.


So you are basically saying that EVE would be a better game with 75k star systems instead of 7.5k, with 20k different ships instead of 200, with one miljon different MWDs instead of a couple.

Repeating this "more sand" meme over and over again doesn't make it more true.



All I hear is woosh because I missed the point I wanted to make.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2736 - 2012-01-26 16:51:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
I think people who expect deliverables for WIS that meet their expectations happening in the next year have sand in their heads.

If you really think 4 devs and a single QA guy can build and deliver on the stuff you are all expecting, I hate to be the one who pees in your cornflakes, but this is CCP folks. Over-promise and underdeliver is their company mantra. They only scramble when their asses are on the line.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#2737 - 2012-01-26 17:10:34 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
WIS sand bucket is there may be a year before the stuff they're trowing in it is dry enough to make a castle with.

SiF features are however cooking rather quilcy and will get ther castle up much faster.




don,t mind the big FIS sandcastle ,its how i attach that little WIS sandcastle-tower on it

R.S.I2014
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#2738 - 2012-01-26 17:16:57 UTC
Doc Fury wrote:
I think people who expect deliverables for WIS that meet their expectations happening in the next year have sand in their heads.

If you really think 4 devs and a single QA guy can build and deliver on the stuff you are all expecting, I hate to be the one who pees in your cornflakes, but this is CCP folks. Over-promise and underdeliver is their company mantra. They only scramble when their asses are on the line.


we could ragequit about that little sandcasstle ,but we don,t want another panic change from CCP ,do we?
I think for now that 5 people are just enough to keep us and the rest happy.
Just one thing needed ,a introduction blog for that Avatar team and what they expect

R.S.I2014
Lyrka Bloodberry
Spybeaver
#2739 - 2012-01-26 17:41:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyrka Bloodberry
The WiS-timeline how it was and how it will be:

- CCP: First announcement: "You will be able to walk in stations soon!"
- Pro-WiSers: "Yaaaay!"
- Anti-WiSers: "Gonna be crap!"

2 Years later:
- CCP: "We are working hard on it! You will be able to walk in stations soon! (But we will introduce it bit by bit...)"
- Pro-WiSers: "Long time now, but... well... Yaaaay!"
- Anti-WiSers: "Will never finish and gonna be crap!"

2 Years later:
- CCP: "Here is the first part of it: You can walk in stations now! (But only in your captains quarters... more to come)"
- Pro-WiSers: "Not much yet, but when it gets improved, it's gonna be... Yaaaay!"
- Anti-WiSers: "looool! Dat all? You promised sooo much and didn't hold your promise! And what wit dis Monocle? Abort WiS-Project! I want moar flying spaceships, and I want it now! NOW!"
*whine*
*whine*
*whine*
*whine*
*whine*
*whine*
*whine*
*whine*
- Anti-WiSers: "Mkay, will you abort WiS now?"
- CCP: "Okay, to hell with WiS, we're doing only spaceships again! BUT: Billy Bob and Cletus here, our guestprogrammers from Nebraska, will further improve WiS!"
- CSM: Man, we rock!

Future - 2 Years later:
- CCP: "Behold! Our guestprogrammers have implemented... tadaaaaa... Minesweeper on your CQ-Screen! (Oh, and they got fired and we will not further improve WiS, cause the progress in WiS was kinda slow (wonder why...))"
- Pro-WiSers: "Ummm... yay?"
- Anti-WiSers: "See? Toldcha it's gonna be crap and never finish!"


(Actually I think Minesweeper on the CQ-Screen would be awesome, but you get the idea...)

Spybeaver
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#2740 - 2012-01-26 18:02:52 UTC
Lyrka Bloodberry wrote:
The WiS-timeline how it was and how it will be:

- CCP: First announcement: "You will be able to walk in stations soon!"
- Pro-WiSers: "Yaaaay!"
- Anti-WiSers: "Gonna be crap!"

2 Years later:
- CCP: "We are working hard on it! You will be able to walk in stations soon! (But we will introduce it bit by bit...)"
- Pro-WiSers: "Long time now, but... well... Yaaaay!"
- Anti-WiSers: "Will never finish and gonna be crap!"

2 Years later:
- CCP: "Here is the first part of it: You can walk in stations now! (But only in your captains quarters... more to come)"
- Pro-WiSers: "Not much yet, but when it gets improved, it's gonna be... Yaaaay!"
- Anti-WiSers: "looool! Dat all? You promised sooo much and didn't hold your promise! And what wit dis Monocle? Abort WiS-Project! I want moar flying spaceships, and I want it now! NOW!"
*whine*
*whine*
*whine*
*whine*
*whine*
*whine*
*whine*
*whine*
- Anti-WiSers: "Mkay, will you abort WiS now?"
- CCP: "Okay, to hell with WiS, we're doing only spaceships again! BUT: Billy Bob and Cletus here, our guestprogrammers from Nebraska, will further improve WiS!"
- CSM: Man, we rock!

Future - 2 Years later:
- CCP: "Behold! Our guestprogrammers have implemented... tadaaaaa... Minesweeper on your CQ-Screen! (Oh, and they got fired and we will not further improve WiS, cause the progress in WiS was kinda slow (wonder why...))"
- Pro-WiSers: "Ummm... yay?"
- Anti-WiSers: "See? Toldcha it's gonna be crap and never finish!"


(Actually I think Minesweeper on the CQ-Screen would be awesome, but you get the idea...)


maybe your are right , but can CCP loose face like that?i don,t think so

R.S.I2014