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Endeavour Starfleet
#461 - 2013-07-05 21:16:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Endeavour Starfleet
Paul Leonard Kersey wrote:
CCP ruins gameplay again, this is not news.

Any other company that screwed it's customers repeatedly like this soon went out of business.

Start firing some of these fat fingered "DEVS", maybe the others will actually check what they're typing.

Any employee that screwed up this bad, or this many times needs to be fired.



So you would enjoy playing a game where you knew employees were fearing over making even the smallest mistakes?

Do you enjoy firing people and throwing them out into the job market? Do you relish the thought of their families having hardship because you didn't get that carrier mail?

I have another idea how about you biomass your EVE online characters and leave this game? Honestly would you please do that?

Obearoth HuanTao wrote:
.....Mistakes like this, is simply unacceptable.
The nerd the pulled this of, should be delegated to washing toilets, or no more then running a very small and unimportant obscure server.
.......


Please I beg of you. Please biomass your in game characters and leave this game.
Senditu
Inter-Stellar Exploration
The Burning Contingent Alliance
#462 - 2013-07-05 21:37:22 UTC
This is one I just cannot afford to deny comment.

We were at it hardcore and although I agree that it was crazy in system, and tidi was huge, the fact that this happened at such a critical juncture in the battle make me skeptical at the very best.

Appreciation is necessarily one of those things that comes to mind ...... personally!
Arrendis
TK Corp
#463 - 2013-07-05 21:39:48 UTC
Well, at this point, we're out of normal business hours in Iceland (I believe it's 9:37 there now?) and while I'm not expecting 'Dear Capsuleers, this is exactly what happened, which processes were invoked, and precisely what we've already done to fix everything, YAY!', I have to admit, in a thread we were specifically asked to use so that our questions could get addressed, it's a little disappointing to not even have so much as a 'you guys have raised a number of perfectly valid questions, and the team is looking at them, dont' worry' update.

Or did someone accidentally remap the forums?
BigSako
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#464 - 2013-07-05 22:13:29 UTC
It is funny how people seem to be in favour of Goonswarm and blame TEST for this "mistake". The same alliance that abuses game mechanics whenever they can. The same alliance that kills Jita about twice a year.

Needless to say, if I was the person in question at CCP I would have also said that it was an honest mistake, though I seriously would not risk my job for some billions of isk of space pixels.


my question to CCP is: What are you going to do to improve player experience for such occassions? And why wasn't the call to move "non necessary services" away from the node made earlier when the fight hit 1k people?
Paul Leonard Kersey
Doomheim
#465 - 2013-07-05 22:18:02 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Paul Leonard Kersey wrote:
CCP ruins gameplay again, this is not news.

Any other company that screwed it's customers repeatedly like this soon went out of business.

Start firing some of these fat fingered "DEVS", maybe the others will actually check what they're typing.

Any employee that screwed up this bad, or this many times needs to be fired.



So you would enjoy playing a game where you knew employees were fearing over making even the smallest mistakes?

Do you enjoy firing people and throwing them out into the job market? Do you relish the thought of their families having hardship because you didn't get that carrier mail?

I have another idea how about you biomass your EVE online characters and leave this game? Honestly would you please do that?

Obearoth HuanTao wrote:
.....Mistakes like this, is simply unacceptable.
The nerd the pulled this of, should be delegated to washing toilets, or no more then running a very small and unimportant obscure server.
.......


Please I beg of you. Please biomass your in game characters and leave this game.


Ruining the biggest fight in the game for months is not the smallest mistake...

If they can't do the job right, they don't deserve the job to begin with, and carrier mails have nothing to do with an employee bring incompetent. Can't do your job right? find one you can, (I suggest fast food with this kind of record)

I should leave because someone at CCP can't do their job properly? go home troll

Eve DEV that can't type a system name in properly, or be bothered to double check needs to be fired
Arrendis
TK Corp
#466 - 2013-07-05 22:21:02 UTC
Paul Leonard Kersey wrote:

Eve DEV that can't type a system name in properly, or be bothered to double check needs to be fired


Why should it be left to the guy typing to doublecheck, though? Why can't the software, with full access to the entire database of system names, run that half-millisecond check for him when he enters the command?

Keystroke errors happen. Good tools have safeguards to protect against them.

This was not a good tool.
Paul Leonard Kersey
Doomheim
#467 - 2013-07-05 22:33:20 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Paul Leonard Kersey wrote:

Eve DEV that can't type a system name in properly, or be bothered to double check needs to be fired


Why should it be left to the guy typing to doublecheck, though? Why can't the software, with full access to the entire database of system names, run that half-millisecond check for him when he enters the command?

Keystroke errors happen. Good tools have safeguards to protect against them.

This was not a good tool.


+1
Magron1
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
#468 - 2013-07-05 22:51:28 UTC
3 choices children. whine to no purpose. get screwed by ccp and shut it or find something else to spend ur time on. it's perfectly clear now that ccp will never run this game professionally
Endeavour Starfleet
#469 - 2013-07-05 23:15:05 UTC
Paul Leonard Kersey wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Paul Leonard Kersey wrote:
CCP ruins gameplay again, this is not news.

Any other company that screwed it's customers repeatedly like this soon went out of business.

Start firing some of these fat fingered "DEVS", maybe the others will actually check what they're typing.

Any employee that screwed up this bad, or this many times needs to be fired.



So you would enjoy playing a game where you knew employees were fearing over making even the smallest mistakes?

Do you enjoy firing people and throwing them out into the job market? Do you relish the thought of their families having hardship because you didn't get that carrier mail?

I have another idea how about you biomass your EVE online characters and leave this game? Honestly would you please do that?

Obearoth HuanTao wrote:
.....Mistakes like this, is simply unacceptable.
The nerd the pulled this of, should be delegated to washing toilets, or no more then running a very small and unimportant obscure server.
.......


Please I beg of you. Please biomass your in game characters and leave this game.


Ruining the biggest fight in the game for months is not the smallest mistake...

If they can't do the job right, they don't deserve the job to begin with, and carrier mails have nothing to do with an employee bring incompetent. Can't do your job right? find one you can, (I suggest fast food with this kind of record)

I should leave because someone at CCP can't do their job properly? go home troll

Eve DEV that can't type a system name in properly, or be bothered to double check needs to be fired


I don't want you to just leave. I beg of you to biomass your characters so hopefully you are not tempted to return to this game.
Strategos Constance
Xevera
#470 - 2013-07-05 23:27:52 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:

So you would enjoy playing a game where you knew employees were fearing over making even the smallest mistakes?

Do you enjoy firing people and throwing them out into the job market? Do you relish the thought of their families having hardship because you didn't get that carrier mail?

I have another idea how about you biomass your EVE online characters and leave this game? Honestly would you please do that?



1. On the flip coin, I would hope that people wouldn't work like they are irreplaceable either. People do get fired for doing major aspects of their job incorrectly, it could be as simple as mis-wiring a house or as far out as a doctor making a mistake, in any case people are held accountable for their actions, intentional or not. However, since no one knows the performance of the individual in a grand view of things, it is unwise for anyone to tell a company how to treat their employees.

2. Job markets are irrelevant when it comes to a company. You can't get personal, it is business. Sometimes employers keep employees for far to long, even if they are terrible, only because they feel bad for them. It is a mistake. To be successful unfortunately means you can't take things personally and you have to do what must be done. Your scenario of companies putting people out on the street are far from laudable considering that the employee usually has to do something wrong and is held accountable. Funny how employees are the ones that can get themselves fire, not some "evil" corporation. If someone can't do the general job, then you find someone who can for not only you, but your customers.



Seriously though, biomass your character? I am not really sure how that would accomplish anything. They have to "gasp" make another character? Or we could keep posting under assumed characters / identities so we can hide who we really are... cause no one does that!

Last point, what is your objective in all of this? You are pretty confusing constantly defending CCP, but telling their playerbase to biomass. If your looking to be alone with CCP, this is not the way I would do it.

Arckeuss
Muerte a Secuestradores
#471 - 2013-07-05 23:37:16 UTC
BigSako wrote:
It is funny how people seem to be in favour of Goonswarm and blame TEST for this "mistake". The same alliance that abuses game mechanics whenever they can. The same alliance that kills Jita about twice a year.

Needless to say, if I was the person in question at CCP I would have also said that it was an honest mistake, though I seriously would not risk my job for some billions of isk of space pixels.


my question to CCP is: What are you going to do to improve player experience for such occassions? And why wasn't the call to move "non necessary services" away from the node made earlier when the fight hit 1k people?



the same alliance (TEST) that you're defending has participated to the jita burn.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#472 - 2013-07-06 00:04:26 UTC
Arckeuss wrote:
BigSako wrote:
It is funny how people seem to be in favour of Goonswarm and blame TEST for this "mistake". The same alliance that abuses game mechanics whenever they can. The same alliance that kills Jita about twice a year.

the same alliance (TEST) that you're defending has participated to the jita burn.

We were forcing them, it was back when they were still our "pets".

Now they are free, and like the miners, want revenge.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#473 - 2013-07-06 00:05:47 UTC
Magron1 wrote:
3 choices children. whine to no purpose. get screwed by ccp and shut it or find something else to spend ur time on. it's perfectly clear now that ccp will never run this game professionally

Where is log onto your torp bomber alt and help shoot structures?

Because you should. It's a thing. That you should do. Shooting structures.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#474 - 2013-07-06 00:07:04 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Well, at this point, we're out of normal business hours in Iceland (I believe it's 9:37 there now?) and while I'm not expecting 'Dear Capsuleers, this is exactly what happened, which processes were invoked, and precisely what we've already done to fix everything, YAY!', I have to admit, in a thread we were specifically asked to use so that our questions could get addressed, it's a little disappointing to not even have so much as a 'you guys have raised a number of perfectly valid questions, and the team is looking at them, dont' worry' update.

Or did someone accidentally remap the forums?

You really expected they would be responded to?

The point is that every other thread can be locked with a link to this one and all the crap stays in the disposal where it will not overflow into the rest of General Discussion.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#475 - 2013-07-06 00:08:05 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Phillip Morning wrote:
We will just have to wait and see how it goes down next time. Hopefully there will be plenty more goon tears to collect

It's kinda funny the best test can do is try to troll us about how we didn't blow up as much of tests cap fleet as we should have.

We should have been winning harder, guys.

Next time you see the ragebroadcast remember the clock is ticking and we only have so long to apply our SUBCAP DEEPPSS to the carriers before

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Nox Solitudo
That Random Worker Ant Colony
#476 - 2013-07-06 00:08:47 UTC
Strategos Constance wrote:


1. On the flip coin, I would hope that people wouldn't work like they are irreplaceable either. People do get fired for doing major aspects of their job incorrectly, it could be as simple as mis-wiring a house or as far out as a doctor making a mistake, in any case people are held accountable for their actions, intentional or not. However, since no one knows the performance of the individual in a grand view of things, it is unwise for anyone to tell a company how to treat their employees.



Mwahaha... I've seen a guy who accidentally shut down mainframe server, or a guy who accidentally deleted the main database of certain bank. both kept doing their job.

I feel a bit sorry for that CCP guy though :)
Endeavour Starfleet
#477 - 2013-07-06 00:13:25 UTC
Strategos Constance wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:

So you would enjoy playing a game where you knew employees were fearing over making even the smallest mistakes?

Do you enjoy firing people and throwing them out into the job market? Do you relish the thought of their families having hardship because you didn't get that carrier mail?

I have another idea how about you biomass your EVE online characters and leave this game? Honestly would you please do that?



1. On the flip coin, I would hope that people wouldn't work like they are irreplaceable either. People do get fired for doing major aspects of their job incorrectly, it could be as simple as mis-wiring a house or as far out as a doctor making a mistake, in any case people are held accountable for their actions, intentional or not. However, since no one knows the performance of the individual in a grand view of things, it is unwise for anyone to tell a company how to treat their employees.

2. Job markets are irrelevant when it comes to a company. You can't get personal, it is business. Sometimes employers keep employees for far to long, even if they are terrible, only because they feel bad for them. It is a mistake. To be successful unfortunately means you can't take things personally and you have to do what must be done. Your scenario of companies putting people out on the street are far from laudable considering that the employee usually has to do something wrong and is held accountable. Funny how employees are the ones that can get themselves fire, not some "evil" corporation. If someone can't do the general job, then you find someone who can for not only you, but your customers.



Seriously though, biomass your character? I am not really sure how that would accomplish anything. They have to "gasp" make another character? Or we could keep posting under assumed characters / identities so we can hide who we really are... cause no one does that!

Last point, what is your objective in all of this? You are pretty confusing constantly defending CCP, but telling their playerbase to biomass. If your looking to be alone with CCP, this is not the way I would do it.



#1 It is a video game. A miswired house can be a potential fire or shock hazard a doctor making a mistake can endanger the patient and potentially others. What happened with EVE was an accidental server command. The result is a bit of egg in the face of CCP and whiny ass people screaming that people should be fired over them not getting to add lots of shiny green to their boards. Not exactly equal in the level of potential harm to anyone in RL but people want someone to lose his RL job over it?

#2 Except people are making it personal. They are directly saying the person should be fired and it is clear as day the reason is because they did not get their big green addition to their boards or they didn't get their huge victory and they believe that equals someones job over a damn mistake.

#3 Yes I am calling for them to voluntarily biomass their characters (The entire account and alt account's) not just posting alts. I am requesting those players to no longer play EVE online.
Endeavour Starfleet
#478 - 2013-07-06 00:17:05 UTC
Nox Solitudo wrote:
Strategos Constance wrote:


1. On the flip coin, I would hope that people wouldn't work like they are irreplaceable either. People do get fired for doing major aspects of their job incorrectly, it could be as simple as mis-wiring a house or as far out as a doctor making a mistake, in any case people are held accountable for their actions, intentional or not. However, since no one knows the performance of the individual in a grand view of things, it is unwise for anyone to tell a company how to treat their employees.



Mwahaha... I've seen a guy who accidentally shut down mainframe server, or a guy who accidentally deleted the main database of certain bank. both kept doing their job.

I feel a bit sorry for that CCP guy though :)


Hopefully because the companies they worked for realized that instead of terminating employment they can better use the effort to write up better procedures to prevent accidents like that in the future.

Sure as hell beats "HEY WATERBOY!! YOUR'EEE FIREEEEEEEED!!!!!!" That some people are acting like in this topic.
Jimmy Morane
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#479 - 2013-07-06 00:30:12 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
[quote=Strategos Constance][quote=Endeavour Starfleet]

#1 It is a video game. A miswired house can be a potential fire or shock hazard a doctor making a mistake can endanger the patient and potentially others. What happened with EVE was an accidental server command. The result is a bit of egg in the face of CCP and whiny ass people screaming that people should be fired over them not getting to add lots of shiny green to their boards. Not exactly equal in the level of potential harm to anyone in RL but people want someone to lose his RL job over it?


You know if someone works at burger king and keeps screwing up the orders they are going to get fired. It's a service being provided for money. Screwing up burger orders doesn't cost any lives either, and I think that's what these people are getting at. Eve is a service that is provided for money, and it should work when those who have paid that money decide to use the service.
Endeavour Starfleet
#480 - 2013-07-06 00:41:27 UTC
Jimmy Morane wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
[quote=Strategos Constance][quote=Endeavour Starfleet]

#1 It is a video game. A miswired house can be a potential fire or shock hazard a doctor making a mistake can endanger the patient and potentially others. What happened with EVE was an accidental server command. The result is a bit of egg in the face of CCP and whiny ass people screaming that people should be fired over them not getting to add lots of shiny green to their boards. Not exactly equal in the level of potential harm to anyone in RL but people want someone to lose his RL job over it?


You know if someone works at burger king and keeps screwing up the orders they are going to get fired. It's a service being provided for money. Screwing up burger orders doesn't cost any lives either, and I think that's what these people are getting at. Eve is a service that is provided for money, and it should work when those who have paid that money decide to use the service.


#1 Burger King is an entry level employer for the most part. VASTLY different from the difficulty on average for landing a living wage job. Especially if you are already unemployed.

#2 If someone finally loses their job at burger king over not getting orders done correctly. It was likely because they never cared for the job in the first place vastly different from what likely this was which in my opinion were excited server admins trying to make an awesome EVE battle better.

#3 I've worked in retail. I have seen attempts to get employees in trouble or employment terminated over the smallest things. And to be frank the stench of self entitlement is similar to how some of these players are reacting. It is called "TAKE MINE AND **** YOU!" They lost nothing in the real world but think the mistake is worth someone losing their job.