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Tonight's fleet fight in Z9PP-H

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Heptameron
Roving Guns Inc.
Pandemic Legion
#321 - 2013-07-05 08:58:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Heptameron
Arrendis wrote:
You know, I'm not gonna call for the guy's head - it was a typo. when.


Typo? Seriously?? They weren't typing in u instead of you, not hitting the jump instead of bridge button, they were messing with live revenue generating production systems.

I'm head of IT for a company in Europe and my dudes don;t even get to change a desktop memory stick without a checklist and a sign off. When it comes to front end changes they are jumping through hoops like proverbial circus monkeys. There is no way something like this should ahve happened without someone reviewing the change before it was implemented, standard change management methodolgy.
Endeavour Starfleet
#322 - 2013-07-05 08:58:18 UTC
Some of the responses in this thread and the other one are DISGUSTING. And absolutely uncalled for.

Was it a terrible accident? YES
Does it need a fully documented investigation? YES
Should it involve communication with the CSM? YES
Should someone lose their job and be thrown into the bad job market because of a mistake made in a ******* video game? NO!!!!!!!

Get the hell over yourselves. It was a mistake that messed up an historic day in a video game. Not something that had any affect on anything in real life.

I call on the leaders of the CFC to make a statement that shows they do not agree with some of these forum whiners.
Ezio Dicostanzo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#323 - 2013-07-05 09:03:07 UTC
shame on you CCP, you fun killer!
we dont care about your sorry ass excuses, just do the f*cking job we pay you for with our subscriptions

get your **** together, wtf !!!
Endeavour Starfleet
#324 - 2013-07-05 09:05:47 UTC
Ezio Dicostanzo wrote:
shame on you CCP, you fun killer!
we dont care about your sorry ass excuses, just do the f*cking job we pay you for with our subscriptions

get your **** together, wtf !!!


It was a ******* mistake. If you can't accept their apology then please biomass (No I don't want your stuff) your accounts and leave EVE. It is a game.
Heptameron
Roving Guns Inc.
Pandemic Legion
#325 - 2013-07-05 09:09:09 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Some of the responses in this thread and the other one are DISGUSTING. And absolutely uncalled for.

Get the hell over yourselves. It was a mistake that messed up an historic day in a video game. Not something that had any affect on anything in real life.

I call on the leaders of the CFC to make a statement that shows they do not agree with some of these forum whiners.


awwww so cute, someone trying to be relevant....

fyi people were in that fight playing for 6 hours, yes the playing part is one thing but that time spent is a RL figure and therefore has an impact. Ask the guys involved in that for 6 hours in 10% TIDI if they would have endured it all if they had known the eventual outcome?

If the guys running the service were volunteers then I would agree but they are not. They are well paid and are expected to do a good job in return, the fact its internet space pixels has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#326 - 2013-07-05 09:10:45 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
I call on the leaders of the CFC to make a statement that shows they do not agree with some of these forum whiners.


I can't speak for other alliances but as far as the gsf directorate goes the general attitude is "cripes CCP"

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#327 - 2013-07-05 09:18:23 UTC
Heptameron wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
You know, I'm not gonna call for the guy's head - it was a typo. when.


Typo? Seriously?? They weren't typing in u instead of you, not hitting the jump instead of bridge button, they were messing with live revenue generating production systems.


Typo. Seriously. Q9PP-H instead of Z9PP-H. No matter how serious the repercussions of the erroneous entry, it's still a typographical error - a typo.

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I'm head of IT for a company in Europe and my dudes don;t even get to change a desktop memory stick without a checklist and a sign off. When it comes to front end changes they are jumping through hoops like proverbial circus monkeys. There is no way something like this should ahve happened without someone reviewing the change before it was implemented, standard change management methodology.


There's no way the software should have allowed it - the data to be matched in what amounts to a 'search' position ('perform X process to all but Y') couldn't be matched. The process was told what amounts to 'as long as you don't see X, go ahead', which is insane - if nothing else, if you've got a syntax that says 'do this for all values that do not include Y' then you want to preserve all of the values that do include Y just in case there's an error.

I spent 8 years writing code for administration of an online game - you have to know you're going to get PEBKAC problems. I'm sure I'm not telling you anything you don't already know here, either. The software tools that you give to your server admins have to able to protect you from an attack of the Flying Monkey Brigade - and that's what really failed here. Data entry problems are more common than dead carebears during Burn Jita. And they get worse under pressure. You have to build tools that prevent pissant little errors from becoming massive operational faults that lead to unexpected system failure.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#328 - 2013-07-05 09:18:42 UTC
Andski wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
I call on the leaders of the CFC to make a statement that shows they do not agree with some of these forum whiners.

I can't speak for other alliances but as far as the gsf directorate goes the general attitude is "cripes CCP"

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Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Endeavour Starfleet
#329 - 2013-07-05 09:18:51 UTC
Heptameron wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Some of the responses in this thread and the other one are DISGUSTING. And absolutely uncalled for.

Get the hell over yourselves. It was a mistake that messed up an historic day in a video game. Not something that had any affect on anything in real life.

I call on the leaders of the CFC to make a statement that shows they do not agree with some of these forum whiners.


awwww so cute, someone trying to be relevant....

fyi people were in that fight playing for 6 hours, yes the playing part is one thing but that time spent is a RL figure and therefore has an impact. Ask the guys involved in that for 6 hours in 10% TIDI if they would have endured it all if they had known the eventual outcome?

If the guys running the service were volunteers then I would agree but they are not. They are well paid and are expected to do a good job in return, the fact its internet space pixels has absolutely nothing to do with it.


You are not guaranteed service. And while the pilots in that system did get a raw deal it does not warrant the absolutely horrible conduct some members have shown on these forums. It is a game and if you choose to spend all day in a system at such horrid Tidi that is your choice. What happened won't mean your family has to endure hardship like people are suggesting happen to a CCP employee.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#330 - 2013-07-05 09:20:31 UTC
Andski wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
I call on the leaders of the CFC to make a statement that shows they do not agree with some of these forum whiners.


I can't speak for other alliances but as far as the gsf directorate goes the general attitude is "cripes CCP"



I can't speak for the leadership of FA, but within my own corp, the general reaction has been "D'oh. Let's hope they fix their ****."
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#331 - 2013-07-05 09:22:19 UTC
Heptameron wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Some of the responses in this thread and the other one are DISGUSTING. And absolutely uncalled for.

Get the hell over yourselves. It was a mistake that messed up an historic day in a video game. Not something that had any affect on anything in real life.

I call on the leaders of the CFC to make a statement that shows they do not agree with some of these forum whiners.

awwww so cute, someone trying to be relevant....

fyi people were in that fight playing for 6 hours, yes the playing part is one thing but that time spent is a RL figure and therefore has an impact. Ask the guys involved in that for 6 hours in 10% TIDI if they would have endured it all if they had known the eventual outcome?

If the guys running the service were volunteers then I would agree but they are not. They are well paid and are expected to do a good job in return, the fact its internet space pixels has absolutely nothing to do with it.

You are irrelevant. Your time is irrelevant. This post, if you are reading it, is also irrelevant.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#332 - 2013-07-05 09:23:02 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Andski wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
I call on the leaders of the CFC to make a statement that shows they do not agree with some of these forum whiners.

I can't speak for other alliances but as far as the gsf directorate goes the general attitude is "cripes CCP"

I can't speak for the leadership of FA, but within my own corp, the general reaction has been "D'oh. Let's hope they fix their ****."

I guess we'll see the next time we have a TEST "slowcat" fleet in the middle of conversion to capitalwreckcat fleet

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#333 - 2013-07-05 09:24:46 UTC
Heptameron wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
You know, I'm not gonna call for the guy's head - it was a typo. when.

Typo? Seriously?? They weren't typing in u instead of you, not hitting the jump instead of bridge button, they were messing with live revenue generating production systems.

I'm head of IT for a company in Europe and my dudes don;t even get to change a desktop memory stick without a checklist and a sign off. When it comes to front end changes they are jumping through hoops like proverbial circus monkeys. There is no way something like this should ahve happened without someone reviewing the change before it was implemented, standard change management methodolgy.

In EVE Online, we are the circus monkeys. You jump through flaming gates of tidi and then you get no candy because system remapped away your candy.

The logs didn't record that the candy was agressed, so the candy is gone. Deal with it.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Harrkonen Dune
United Delta Quadrant
#334 - 2013-07-05 09:25:09 UTC
So it now appears that CCP have joined the ranks of the unwashed masses against the CFC, declared war on the home of the useless and the land of the bad.

I guess it was only a matter of time, we are fighting everyone else why not you.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#335 - 2013-07-05 09:26:27 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Heptameron wrote:
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
Some of the responses in this thread and the other one are DISGUSTING. And absolutely uncalled for.

Get the hell over yourselves. It was a mistake that messed up an historic day in a video game. Not something that had any affect on anything in real life.

I call on the leaders of the CFC to make a statement that shows they do not agree with some of these forum whiners.


awwww so cute, someone trying to be relevant....

fyi people were in that fight playing for 6 hours, yes the playing part is one thing but that time spent is a RL figure and therefore has an impact. Ask the guys involved in that for 6 hours in 10% TIDI if they would have endured it all if they had known the eventual outcome?

If the guys running the service were volunteers then I would agree but they are not. They are well paid and are expected to do a good job in return, the fact its internet space pixels has absolutely nothing to do with it.


You are not guaranteed service. And while the pilots in that system did get a raw deal it does not warrant the absolutely horrible conduct some members have shown on these forums. It is a game and if you choose to spend all day in a system at such horrid Tidi that is your choice. What happened won't mean your family has to endure hardship like people are suggesting happen to a CCP employee.

If I, too, were tackled in space in an expensive ship with evil goons hitting me, this sort of loss of service would be quite a bonus.

And it was, to the tune of 100+ "slowcats" that would have been newbie salvage cats.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#336 - 2013-07-05 09:26:37 UTC
Ahahahaha the absolute indignation from the RAZOR pilots is beyond hilarious.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#337 - 2013-07-05 09:26:52 UTC
Harrkonen Dune wrote:
So it now appears that CCP have joined the ranks of the unwashed masses against the CFC, declared war on the home of the useless and the land of the bad.

I guess it was only a matter of time, we are fighting everyone else why not you.

We still have FWEDDIT, you'll never take us down.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#338 - 2013-07-05 09:27:50 UTC
Ezio Dicostanzo wrote:
shame on you CCP, you fun killer!
we dont care about your sorry ass excuses, just do the f*cking job we pay you for with our subscriptions

get your **** together, wtf !!!

You better keep paying that subscription.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Endeavour Starfleet
#339 - 2013-07-05 09:28:21 UTC
Harrkonen Dune wrote:
So it now appears that CCP have joined the ranks of the unwashed masses against the CFC, declared war on the home of the useless and the land of the bad.

I guess it was only a matter of time, we are fighting everyone else why not you.



You have any evidence for that statement? Or are you just posting Libel towards a company for fun?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#340 - 2013-07-05 09:31:02 UTC
Heptameron wrote:
Arrendis wrote:
You know, I'm not gonna call for the guy's head - it was a typo. when.

Typo? Seriously?? They weren't typing in u instead of you, not hitting the jump instead of bridge button, they were messing with live revenue generating production systems.

Also, u is not a word. Talk to Deadtear.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?