Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Alright, here we go.

I mentioned some changes in the other thread, but here they are in detail. Highlights include:
Added warp speed for the travel/tank role
Removed a mid slot from cargo role and also gave them 2 highs again
Gave special bays to Iteron II, III, IV and Hoarder
Fixed the weird CPU insanity
Fixed their HP allocation favoring armor (this was leftover old design that I didn't fix first time through)
Tried to separate within roles with some kind of distinct advantage or character (Don't expect anything too extreme here, everything I said in the first thread about haulers mainly being used for their cargo capacity is still true)
Lots of other general tweaking

On the topic of the special bays: In choosing what these ships would do there were several barriers to work through. We feel that these are already pushing the boundaries of tech 1 specialization, and that's why there is no ship bays/arrays which we feel would have broken those boundaries. Also, I'm sure some of you will be concerned about the imbalance inherent in having more ships for one race than another, and I urge you to look at the feedback on this topic across the EVE community and see that the majority points towards enduring some imbalance if it allows for more character. Here is the first thread with 40 pages or so for your enjoyment: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=250079&find=unread

Looking forward to your feedback, but please don't expect version 3, I have to get on with my life at some point

A small update with some tweaks described in this post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3268389#post3268389 - all changes are accurately reflected in the stats below.

SIGIL - Most HP

Amarr Industrial Skill Bonuses:
+5% Cargo Capacity
+5% Agility (was max velocity)

Slot layout: 2H, 4M(+1), 6L(+1); 1 turrets , 0 launchers
Fittings: 250 PWG(+180), 300 CPU(-450)
Cargo (capacity / capacity with max expanders, t1 expander rigs and all 5 skills): 2100(-900) / 17150m3
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 780(+624) / 1900(+884) / 2400(+1540)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 125(-30) / .86(-.14) / 11000000 / 13.1(-2.1)
Signature radius: 175(-35)
Warp speed: 6au/s (+1.5)

BADGER - Most potential Cargo and Base Cargo in role (Also battle HAM Badger)

Caldari Industrial Skill Bonuses:
+5% Cargo Capacity
+5% Agility (was max velocity)

Slot layout: 2H(+1), 6M(+2), 4L(+2); 1 turrets , 1 launchers(+1)
Fittings: 185 PWG(+135), 380 CPU(-370)
Cargo (capacity / capacity with max expanders, t1 expander rigs and all 5 skills): 3900(-225) / 19593m3
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1440(+1166) / 750(+7) / 2060(+1200)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 127(+7) / .94(+.15) / 10650000(-2100000) / 13.8(-.1)
Signature radius: 190(-30)
Warp speed: 6au/s (+1.5)

WREATHE - Fastest

Minmatar Industrial Skill Bonuses:
+5% Cargo Capacity
+5% Agility (was max velocity)

Slot layout: 2H(+1), 5M(+3), 5L(+3); 1 turrets , 0 launchers
Fittings: 200 PWG(+155), 320 CPU(-280)
Cargo (capacity / capacity with max expanders, t1 expander rigs and all 5 skills): 2900(-400) / 18576m3
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1140(+1061) / 1000(+257) / 2250(+1469)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 140(+15) / .81(-.19) / 10000000 / 11.2(-2.6)
Signature radius: 155(-5)
Warp speed: 6au/s (+1.5)

Iteron - Good all-around (and Drones!?)

Gallente Industrial Skill Bonuses:
+5% Cargo Capacity
+5% Agility (was max velocity)

Slot layout: 2H(+1), 5M(+3), 5L(+3); 1 turrets , 0 launchers
Fittings: 215 PWG(+170), 350 CPU(-250)
DRONES (bay / bandwidth): 30m3 / 15mbit
Cargo (capacity / capacity with max expanders, t1 expander rigs and all 5 skills): 2700(-300) / 17294m3
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 960(+881) / 1050(+269) / 2600(+1819)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 130(+5) / .78(-.22) / 11250000(+1000000) / 12.2(-2)
Signature radius: 185(-5)
Warp speed: 6au/s (+1.5)


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BESTOWER - Most potential Cargo

Amarr Industrial Skill Bonuses:
+5% Cargo Capacity
+5% Max Velocity

Slot layout: 2H, 3M(-1), 6L(+2); 1 turrets , 0 launchers
Fittings: 90 PWG(+20), 230 CPU(-520)
Cargo (capacity / capacity with max expanders, t1 expander rigs and all 5 skills): 4800 / 39201m3
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 450(+255) / 850(-323) / 940(-233)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 110(-15) / .95(-.05) / 13500000 / 17.7(-.9)
Signature radius: 215(+5)
Warp speed: 4.5au/s

BADGER MARK II - Launcher, Most Base Cargo

Caldari Industrial Skill Bonuses:
+5% Cargo Capacity
+5% Max Velocity

Slot layout: 2H, 5M(-1), 4L(+1); 1 turrets , 1 launchers(+1)
Fittings: 80 PWG, 320 CPU(-680)
Cargo (capacity / capacity with max expanders, t1 expander rigs and all 5 skills): 7300(+2050) / 36674m3
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 680(+132) / 760(-256) / 810(-206)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 115 / .93 / 13000000(-500000) / 16.8(-.6)
Signature radius: 230(-20)
Warp speed: 4.5au/s

MAMMOTH - Best travel time in role

Minmatar Industrial Skill Bonuses:
+5% Cargo Capacity
+5% Max Velocity

Slot layout: 2H, 4M(-1), 5L(+1); 1 turrets , 0 launchers
Fittings: 80 PWG, 250 CPU(-500)
Cargo (capacity / capacity with max expanders, t1 expander rigs and all 5 skills): 5500(-125) / 35230m3
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 640(+249) / 600(-494) / 935(-238)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 120(+10) / .91(-.09) / 11500000(-1000000) / 14.5(-2.8)
Signature radius: 180(-20)
Warp speed: 4.5au/s

ITERON MARK V - Average (to balance awesome Iteron II, III, IV)

Gallente Industrial Skill Bonuses:
+5% Cargo Capacity
+5% Max Velocity

Slot layout: 2H, 4M(-1), 5L; 1 turrets , 0 launchers
Fittings: 85 PWG, 270 CPU(-580)
Cargo (capacity /...

New names for the iterons with special roles plz. They are no longer merely the 3rd or 4th version of the same ship after all :)

Booyah! The battle iteron is born. Hold full of cap boosters for the ASB, drones, hefty shield tank and scram.

I'd have preferred to see a +10% warp speed per level if that was possible (instead of the cargo bonus), to give players a reason to train higher

And I'm quietly chuckling at the 50k m3 minerals bay. Suicide gank magnet in the making! I am looking forward to the mistakes people make with this ship!

Is the specialist ammo bay accessible by fleet? I guess you kinda answered that in your original post about "pushing the boundaries" but I figure it's worth asking :)

Thank you CCP Rise, these are genuinely exciting. I'm looking forward to seeing these ships on Tranquility. Amazing!

I take it commodities hold numbers already include skiills?

Gonna go through numbers a bit later for a more extensive response, but from a fast glance I like it. A lot.

This is just....awesome!

Even the Itty drone bay makes it a pvp potential boat!

Just give the other races more Industrials with these (or other) options...

Yes, different Iterations of the same hull for different purposes. Nothing wrong with the names.

Okay this is pretty damn awesome, nice job.

Put a cloak on it, use it for extra ammo during POS bashes.

First page all positive, I'm outta here

After pissy tweet I expected changes made in anger but I'm liking these better. See, just put a little love into something that isn't designed solely for shooting people in the face and you can make people happy.

With 11+ second align times still can you fit an MWD and cloak to have a chance of getting away from gates?