Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hate most of the new names (or rather, the names are alright, but most don't seem to suit the ships at all), and I can't say the idea of having holds for different materials makes full sense (either in terms of physics or lore - what's so special about a mineral hold that doesn't allow it to carry ore, or vice-versa?), but I guess adding some uniqueness to each ship is a good thing.

Maybe the different hold types could be justified by something like shielding / temperature control / pressurization / etc., so the "ore" hauler can't carry normal cargo (ex., janitors, exotic dancers, ship modules) in its hold because it lacks radiation shielding, temperature control and a breathable "atmosphere", and the generic haulers have less overall cargo space because they need the systems to support all those things.

Still can't quite justify why ore and minerals need different hold types, though.

Quick thought, how about making an extra badger model, I.e, a badger mkIII that is optimised for collecting salvage, give it 3 high slots to allow the fitting of 2 tractor beams and a salvager combo, it would be a good entry level salvager for newer characters to use that can't yet afford a noctis, whilst its obviously not as good as a noctis it is a fun idea that fits in well with the new diversity and specialization that we are all mostly supportive off.

A specialist salvage bay is not really required, but it would be a nice touch and in principle isnt any different to the ammo bay of the minmatar industrial.

Normally you can't store a ship that has anything other than ammo/scripts in a hanger bay, so I don't think you'll be able to put it in there.

Because CCP knows that players think about things from a mineral compression PoV. And they did notice that the hoarder, which is the ammo specific truck, would be attractive for mineral compression so they increased the unpackaged volume of the ship. It may not make sense from a traditional PoV, but it makes sense because MMO players are sneaky gits who will try to abuse any mechanic they can to get an advantage.

also id like to share the idea that specialized cargo holds are a terrible idea. its a step in the wrong direction and is over complicated.

Well, anything that has drones can kill anything. Nice one nonetheless.

I don't know why people are so defensive on that subject either. It is "that easy" to just use the hull and have it refitted or whatever to a more appropiate combat support. These ships should not be paper either. And there is a lot of room for creativity to make them viable for a new playstyle while letting the rest of the world to continue flying their HACs or whatever crap.

Personally I think this hauler thing is too bloated and unnecessarily complicated.

It could be done in a much simpler way and not forcing people to buy several ships to do basically the same thing.

It's like if they made racial miners and make them good at different things just so you have to build several of them. One for mining Matari Ice, one for caldari..., one for each ore...

Would be much easier and simpler to introduce low slot "cargo holds" for different types of cargo.
Then you can mix and match the setup on your hauler to get the optimal cargo hold for ya.

THANK YOU, so VERY much, for making my Itty V, already stupidly easy to gank, even EASIER to kill.

What, you haven't already made gankers lives easy enough? You gave them Tier 3 BC's, you gave them 'Tags for Sec Status', now you gift them with even thinner loot piñatas to shoot at?

When will you stop catering to the whiniest player base in Eve?

Seriously, just give it up already.

Make a series of ORE haulers, 1 for each "role" you envision. Replace peoples skills and ships with something that would match up to it.

You came up with the Primae (PI) and Noctis (Salvaging), use that hull and come up with a "Hauling" ship and insert as many special variants with random bays to suit everyone (Ore, Modules, Ammo, Covert Cloak Speedy, Big Fat Cargo Hold Version, whatever). Match the skill levels to the role if you want or just require them all to have level 1 and bonus each ship based on the level.

Take anyone with **Racial** industrial blah and give them SP back and grant them the ORE industrial skill book if they don't have the skill (NPC value in ISK if they do added to wallet). I know this breaks your I trained **race** level 5 for the cloaky hauler thing, be happy. You got your SP back now you can spend it on the ORE skill or if you had more than 1 race you got some extra SP to throw into something else.

What do you do w/the Freighters? They all require the racial industrial right? Easy, don't require it, require ORE industrial to 3, or maybe just add different requirements that would complement the survival of a freighter. It's only a racial 3 pre-requisite it won't break the world if it was gone.

No. Not when the exploration frigates can do this better, faster, and cheaper. Those frigates (Magnate/Heron/Imicus/Probe) have racial frigate skill bonus per level: 5% bonus to Salvager cycle time

Acutally, what makes more sense is add a small tractor beam and/or salvaging bonus to beginner frigates (Impairor/Ibis/Velator/Reaper).