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Can we turn off the new jump animation?

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#261 - 2013-06-06 17:34:10 UTC
Yana Shakti wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Lay off the hooch when you play and you might not feel so queasy from jumping.


What are you? My priest? My mullah?

What I do on my own time in the evenings and at home is not any of your business.


Entitled much?

Mr Epeen Cool
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#262 - 2013-06-06 17:36:38 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
xavier69 wrote:
yep it was harder for them to put spinning back in but if we scream loud enough they will do it =)

I'm not sure that pointing out what is quite probably the most idiotic thing the EvE community allowed itself to get worked up about is doing much for your cause. Smile

You saw "idiotic". CCP saw "oh ****". We see how that worked out, eh?

Just because CCP made allowances for the idiocy doesn't make it any less idiotic. Blink

You are just further showing your lack of understanding in how the human brain works. People will often become attached to things, especially after spending large quantities of time with said things over a period of years. It may seem trivial to some, or even most, but when said thing is removed and/or replaced with something completely foreign, the reactions tend to be...disastrous.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#263 - 2013-06-06 17:37:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Sister Sophia wrote:
Fair enough Ranger. Selective quoting can be a problem.

But I've noticed that you have not responded to the idea that algorithm efficiency must be weighed against a concern for human cognitive factors. As someone with experience on the comp-sci side of things, I'd be curious to hear what you think.

For now I think they are taking the most common sense approach possible. The effect itself is wildly popular with the majority of the player base, so they are going to wait for the inevitable threads from those who will complain about any change (and usually over dramatize it to make their point) to run their course. Then once that is died down a bit make a concerted effort to determine how many people actually have a serious issue with the effect.

A knee jerk reaction at this point would be silly. If they were in the habit of doing so we would not have a warp effect at all in game currently (along with many, many other effects we take for granted today).

Once they have determined that despite studies and all other evidence to the contrary there is an actual problem for a significant portion of the player base (and no, it doesn't have to be a large portion) they begin to pinpoint the parts of the effect that produce the discomfort and begin to consider options. Those options will depend of how flexible the code is, and how difficult those changes would be to implement.

If it turns out to be a huge problem and the effect cannot be practically modified to allieviate the problem, then we'll be back to a loading bar (and a LOT of people will be very, very angry in the community), until they can figure something else out.

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marVLs
#264 - 2013-06-06 17:37:56 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Sister Sophia wrote:
Still, you'd think they'd at least have something to say in response, apart from what we got at the very beginning of the thread.

They're probably still taken aback by the fact that their pet fluff feature isn't being received so well. Where have I seen this before?



From what i see (and that smaaaaall number of topics/post on forum) more than 90% of players like new jump animations, and they don't cry.

Don't sit 20cm from monitor 12h per day and maybe You will feel better ffs

I'm glad CCP is driving this game not forum whiners
Strom Crendraven
The H8teful Eight
#265 - 2013-06-06 17:40:25 UTC
marVLs wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Sister Sophia wrote:
Still, you'd think they'd at least have something to say in response, apart from what we got at the very beginning of the thread.

They're probably still taken aback by the fact that their pet fluff feature isn't being received so well. Where have I seen this before?



From what i see (and that smaaaaall number of topics/post on forum) more than 90% of players like new jump animations, and they don't cry.

Don't sit 20cm from monitor 12h per day and maybe You will feel better ffs

I'm glad CCP is driving this game not forum whiners


Wow, math much? Selective application of random made up statistics, you must be a liberal me thinks.
Sister Sophia
Doomheim
#266 - 2013-06-06 17:40:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Sister Sophia
Ranger 1 wrote:
....despite studies and all other evidence to the contrary there is an actual problem...


Could you please provide references to the 'studies' you mention. Also, what is all this evidence to the contrary? Thanks.

Ranger 1 wrote:
...Those options will depend of how flexible the code is, and how difficult those changes would be to implement..


Compare: 'Our shoe company would love to eliminate the blisters our product causes. We will carefully assess how difficult it would be to implement changes to our production facilities and be in touch.'
Maybelater Headache
Doomheim
#267 - 2013-06-06 17:44:11 UTC
marVLs wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Sister Sophia wrote:
Still, you'd think they'd at least have something to say in response, apart from what we got at the very beginning of the thread.

They're probably still taken aback by the fact that their pet fluff feature isn't being received so well. Where have I seen this before?



From what i see (and that smaaaaall number of topics/post on forum) more than 90% of players like new jump animations, and they don't cry.

Don't sit 20cm from monitor 12h per day and maybe You will feel better ffs

I'm glad CCP is driving this game not forum whiners


nobody cares about your opinion
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#268 - 2013-06-06 17:45:56 UTC
Sister Sophia wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
....despite studies and all other evidence to the contrary there is an actual problem...


Could you please provide references to the 'studies' you mention. Also, what is all the evidence to the contrary? Thanks.

I point you to Google, to do your own research into what causes motion sickness and/or disorientation when viewing movement on a computer screen... although this thread has already voiced the obvious and well know causes many times already.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#269 - 2013-06-06 17:47:10 UTC
Maybelater Headache wrote:
marVLs wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Sister Sophia wrote:
Still, you'd think they'd at least have something to say in response, apart from what we got at the very beginning of the thread.

They're probably still taken aback by the fact that their pet fluff feature isn't being received so well. Where have I seen this before?



From what i see (and that smaaaaall number of topics/post on forum) more than 90% of players like new jump animations, and they don't cry.

Don't sit 20cm from monitor 12h per day and maybe You will feel better ffs

I'm glad CCP is driving this game not forum whiners


nobody cares about your opinion

Actually, yes we do. You might actually consider taking his advice instead of launching personal attacks. Smile

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#270 - 2013-06-06 17:49:46 UTC
Sister Sophia wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
....despite studies and all other evidence to the contrary there is an actual problem...


Could you please provide references to the 'studies' you mention. Also, what is all this evidence to the contrary? Thanks.


Well out of the hundreds of pilots have have flown with over the last few days in the CFC not one of them has said anything other than "well that got old fast". Infact I know of no CFC member complaining about "throwing up" when jumping systems.

Not exactly scientific but if this was a big problem chances are someone I come in contact with would have said something.
Maybelater Headache
Doomheim
#271 - 2013-06-06 17:49:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Maybelater Headache
personal attacks? Says Ranger 1? :-)

Who is "we" btw?
Sister Sophia
Doomheim
#272 - 2013-06-06 17:56:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Sister Sophia
Ranger 1 wrote:
...do your own research into what causes motion sickness and/or disorientation when viewing movement on a computer screen... although this thread has already voiced the obvious and well know causes many times already.


If you did research in cognitive science, you'd know that nothing in the area is as obvious as it seems. Here's a link to a doctoral thesis on the very topic you mention -- motion sickness. By reading it and following up the references you may get some ideas for how to avoid these problems in the future.

Tbh, I'll need to spend a bit of time digging up the ideal literature on this since it's never been a precise area of interest of mine. But the above is a start, if you care.
Maybelater Headache
Doomheim
#273 - 2013-06-06 17:56:51 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

Well out of the hundreds of pilots have have flown with over the last few days in the CFC not one of them has said anything other than "well that got old fast". Infact I know of no CFC member complaining about "throwing up" when jumping systems.

Not exactly scientific but if this was a big problem chances are someone I come in contact with would have said something.


To be honest, people claiming it is causing motion sickness etc sounds strange to me as well. Nevertheless it is possible, i just don´t share the experience.
These animations, again, are annoying and distracting and i want them to be optional. It is not that hard to understand, isn´t it.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#274 - 2013-06-06 17:58:22 UTC
marVLs wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Sister Sophia wrote:
Still, you'd think they'd at least have something to say in response, apart from what we got at the very beginning of the thread.

They're probably still taken aback by the fact that their pet fluff feature isn't being received so well. Where have I seen this before?



From what i see (and that smaaaaall number of topics/post on forum) more than 90% of players like new jump animations, and they don't cry.

Don't sit 20cm from monitor 12h per day and maybe You will feel better ffs

I'm glad CCP is driving this game not forum whiners

Like I said before, wait until this weekend. Due to the nature of what we are dealing with, I just see it getting worse over time. I am not talking about people ho feel fine physically with it suddenly developing motion sickness. I am talking about plain old-fashioned annoyance. Note the "it was cool the first x number of times, but" posts. How about in two weeks? A month? Maybe after a few hundred jumps, you'll be right back here with the rest of us begging for a "dear god make it stop" button.

And for the record, I actually sit about 4 feet from my monitor, and it's only a paltry 15".
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#275 - 2013-06-06 17:58:24 UTC
Maybelater Headache wrote:


To be honest, people claiming it is causing motion sickness etc sounds strange to me as well. Nevertheless it is possible, i just don´t share the experience.
These animations, again, are annoying and distracting and i want them to be optional. It is not that hard to understand, isn´t it.


When you say it like this then no. It most likely wont happen but at least you are being truthful.
Ghazu
#276 - 2013-06-06 17:59:46 UTC
Zad Murrard wrote:
Also started feeling some motion sickness while watching the camera turn.
So I'd very much appreciate a possibility to disable the turning.

wow you shouldn't even watch movies it might kill you.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
marVLs
#277 - 2013-06-06 18:02:25 UTC
Strom Crendraven wrote:
Wow, math much? Selective application of random made up statistics, you must be a liberal me thinks.



If something it's terrible for sure there's tons of topics per day, some of them should have by now more than 50pages of post that almost everyone puts +1, but here? One, maybe two topics (one alive) with few pages with some dudes want it off, others make fun of those nonsens, but most of those replays are made by small number of players that keeps posting the same every page...

Maybelater Headache wrote:
nobody cares about your opinion


Rather nobody cares about Your crying, and especially CCP don't Lol ahhh so glad that this bulls... does not pass Cool



It's so funny that EVE players try to imitate so hard bad boys, tough guys etc. but they reveal true nature in topics like this, "mommy this thing make me feel buuu, remove it! remove it!!!!!!!1 (crying)"



And yes im talking only about those silly lies with motion sicknes.
About just effect? It's personal taste, im not bored by it, every time it looks fantastic especially with those sounds
Maybelater Headache
Doomheim
#278 - 2013-06-06 18:05:16 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

When you say it like this then no. It most likely wont happen but at least you are being truthful.


I never said that in a different way. The likelyness of a change or a rollback is directly related to the amount of "protest" CCP is facing, no matter what you or your buddy or me is going to spam about it in this thread.
Maybelater Headache
Doomheim
#279 - 2013-06-06 18:06:40 UTC
marVLs wrote:
Strom Crendraven wrote:
Wow, math much? Selective application of random made up statistics, you must be a liberal me thinks.



If something it's terrible for sure there's tons of topics per day, some of them should have by now more than 50pages of post that almost everyone puts +1, but here? One, maybe two topics (one alive) with few pages with some dudes want it off, others make fun of those nonsens, but most of those replays are made by small number of players that keeps posting the same every page...

Maybelater Headache wrote:
nobody cares about your opinion


Rather nobody cares about Your crying, and especially CCP don't Lol ahhh so glad that this bulls... does not pass Cool



It's so funny that EVE players try to imitate so hard bad boys, tough guys etc. but they reveal true nature in topics like this, "mommy this thing make me feel buuu, remove it! remove it!!!!!!!1 (crying)"



And yes im talking only about those silly lies with motion sicknes.
About just effect? It's personal taste, im not bored by it, every time it looks fantastic especially with those sounds


nobody cares about your opinion
Sister Sophia
Doomheim
#280 - 2013-06-06 18:06:53 UTC
It's interesting to me that we suddenly get a flood of denials regarding motion sickness induced by simulated rapid motion. Does this mean that someone somewhere is getting worried about potential bad publicity?

I, for one, really do feel motion sick from the effect. No lie.

By the way, this entire problem would make a fascinating case-study for a cross-listed computer science / cognitive psychology class on human factors. I bet only some portion of the class would feel queasy from the effect and so one could debate the economic costs / benefits of various solutions.