EVE General Discussion

I play because of my husband.. or at least that's how it started. He got me to play by telling me that his corporation needed me. I was the only one who was willing to spend every minute training industry. I learned to love the game.. even long after my husband stopped playing.

If you want women to play the players are going to have to court women. CCP can't change eve into "rainbow ponies" and expect to maintain their loyal player base. Like the RL military there will always be fewer women interested in combat... but there will be some that will put up with it for the fun to be had in association and cooperation with others.

The "giant leaps in logic" is you're a bad troll.

Labeling. Posturing. And making assumptions that neither said or implied.

...Red herring...

I called what I felt best described you. Much as you have repeatedly called me both a dinosaur and a caveman. So we're both labeling. Next.

Posturing? O...k? How do you define that? Better yet, please quote an example of my "posturing"? Or were you just blowing smoke?

Ok, making assumptions. Again, an example please.

I welcome intelligent discussion. If I can find it. So please, give some examples, back up your statements, and we can have the discussion. If not, you will have demonstrated you have no interest in a discussion, merely in demonizing your opposition.

The missing potential are drones: make them cute like pets.

Let us look at a hypothetical example. there are 8 people in your group who like telling off-colour jokes including ones about large breasted men, or things to do with hot grits, or how funny dead babies are. Let us imagine for a moment that I lost a baby to a misdiagnosed food allergy and as a result I don't like baby jokes. The 8 whose behaviour I don't like are my problem. I will ask them to stop with the dead baby jokes, "hey guys, I lost a baby, so those baby jokes are really not cool, could you can them please?". If they tell me to get stuffed, I will leave. It is really that simple. You can't then go and generalise that I was "the problem". The problem is that there are people who tell baby jokes and someone who doesn't appreciate baby jokes. The solutions available include stopping the baby jokes, or losing the person who doesn't like those jokes. No, I am not saying you were actually telling dead baby jokes, this was only a hypothetical example.

What if I join your group of 10 and I have a problem with how you behave, and two of your friends say that they don't like it when you behave that way, but it never bothered them enough to speak up about it? As another hypothetical example, you might have a habit of using the C-word to describe people you don't like, and until I spoke up about it the other guys in your group just accepted that you have a potty mouth, and as the leader of the group they chose not to challenge your status. Am I the problem or are you?

What is the cutoff percentage for the number of people in your own group to speak up about an issue that I, the newcomer, raise, before the problem is the group and not me? Or is the problem always me because noone raised the issue until I spoke up?

Responding to this first, because my reponse to your post above will be a wall of text.

#1, there is DUST. Luckily, it is free. If you want a more personal perspective, that is where I would point someone. DUST is also, despite some opinions, actually a lot of fun.

Idk, logi drives me crazy because short of a huge fleet pvp situation (which anyone with a T1 logi is NOT getting involved in too often), most of the time you can set orbit on the fleet anchor, set reps, and afk. Not in incursions, obviously, you have to rotate reps around, but again, that's not something newbies can get into with their available ships. Logi in DUST is really asking to get sniped though. Hopeless laser wielder myself.

But for those who can't/won't play DUST ( I know one guy who would love to, but can't, epilepsy), and don't like flying in spaceships... EVE is not for you. Sad answer, but it is what it is.

I like this game precisely because it is such a macrocosm of the setting. I love flying around in ships that cost more than entire planets' GDP. Capsuleers might as well be gods, even the shifty carebears among us. For the microcosm, there is DUST. If neither appeal to you... well, sadly there is a shortage of decent sci/fi style MMOs out there, for some reason, they tend to crash and burn pretty hard.

And where i grew up, if a girl threw a punch at a guy, he was expected to throw one back, and if he held back, it was an insult and implication that the girl was weak, which was rude. generally between guys and girls there werent any "expected" behaviours, i grew up with mixed parties and sleepovers ight up until highschool when we all started moving away for college, heck, high school, i can remember some of the meanest mouths were from the girls, but of course this seems like it was more a communities attitude than a generational thing, as my and my friends behaviours between eachother has been remarked as "weird" in several ways by an anthropologist working at a local college, when talking about "societal norms".

but here i am 5am ranting, i apologize if the paragraph is illegible or if i pressed quote on the wrong post, 74 hours awake running inventory for a shoe store, 5 minutes left on break.

I take what I said back, about the thread being useless because it fails to confront any of the perpetrators.
Seems we've got one right here.

Alright, wall of text incoming.

You are correct in several premises early on. Yes, if you dislike dead baby jokes (also WTF with the hot grits? That's a new one to me), then you are correct to remove yourself from the setting should they tell you to go get stuffed. Thing is, that isn't the choice that a lot of people make. It's those people that I do object to, and we both know full well that they do exist.

When someone, regardless of who or what they are, is the newcomer in a social setting, the onus is on you, like it or not. That is the reality of the situation. Ignoring reality for an ideology never works. You work with reality, not against it.

As the newcomer (I can't think of any examples where I won't get flamed, yeesh. Wait I know, let's go with cops) in a police precint, you will be viewed with, however welcoming the introductions might be, with suspicion. And rightly so, you are an unknown element. You may be, from the perspective of those attempting to judge the worth of a new member, a problem, a discipline case, a troublemaker, a slacker, etc, etc. You could be any one of a number of things that threatens their cohesion as a police unit.

So, once again, like it or not, you have to earn their respect and their acceptance. For some people, it might come slower than others. But at some point, subconsciously the group decides that you are "in". This might be part of a public acceptance, like in a fraternity or sorority, or it might just be one day the rest of the squad invites you to go out for a drink with them.

So you can either play their game, and work your way into their group. Or you can leave, and go join Internal Affairs or something. (this represents telling them all to get stuffed in return, and looking for a different corp). Both are your decision.

It all revolves around what you are capable of tolerating. Are dead baby jokes where you totally draw the line? You only have two choices. Get over it, or find somewhere where they don't tell dead baby jokes. Or eat... hot grits? Anyway, moving on.

I'm the kind of person that is pretty difficult to genuinely offend. I don't see anything anyone says on the internet as something to get offended over. I believe very strongly that no adult ever died of hurt feelings. So my tolerance is pretty high.

But when people with low tolerance make the conscious choice that the onus isn't on them, that it's on the group they are trying to join... that causes drama. Idk about you, but were I a corp leader, no one person is worth significant corp drama. It's much easier and more economical to just sever that at the root, and find another player who won't cause friction. That's just human nature, get rid of the problem, and move on with your life. I can't blame anyone who ever kicked a female from their corp if drama started, that was their decision as leaders. If people don't like it, they can vote with their feet and leave. But as the leader, that person would have every right to make the decision.

This is adorable...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5gMQi8emxc

He dances with you.

He tweets.

He flies with you on your flying mount.

He even packs a mean punch...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHtk9iFts3Y