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Odyssey cheats new players.

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Tampopo Field
Doomheim
#61 - 2013-06-01 23:05:49 UTC
Alexander Dreygar wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:
Alexander Dreygar wrote:
. Not all players read forums or dev blogs and just because they don't doesn't make them any less valid.

Actually it does.


Actually, it doesn't. The fact that I pay for and play this game makes my opinions as valid as any of yours. You are nothing special just because you participate in a forum and read dev blogs.


Smart opinions are always more valid then not smart opinions. And informed opinions are usually smarter then uninformed opinions. And your so called "opinions" belong into the not smart category.

Alexander Dreygar wrote:

Suggestion A) If a player has destroyers and battlecruisers, they get every racial destroyer and battlecruiser up to their level. Some races might be locked progress until they train the prerequisite frigate and cruiser skills.

Suggestion B) If suggestion A is impractical, then compensate people with unallocated SP.

However, do not do

Suggestion C) Say screw you to players who haven't been playing years and already have those prerequisites trained/and or to those players who had nothing better to do than to grind out those skills because they already had solid isk generating skills and could afford to waste valuable training time on it.


A.
This is just plain shelfish. Basically you want that your Battlecruiser and Destroyer skills will continue to function just like they do now. No change to the skills should affect you in any way. The "people" who don't have those skills trained or who subscribe after Odyssey are irrelevant. Everything is well as just long as you are unaffected by the change.

B.
This is even more selfish and also incredibly dumb. Basically it would penalise people who have cross trained for cruisers and frigates, but do not intend to fly battlecuisers or destroyers of those races, by giving them skills they don't want insted of extra skill points. But that wouldn't concern you. No, the way this change affects other "people" is irrelevant as long as you get your free skill points.

C.
This is just pure complaining about how the skill change is implemented. The skill change is/was just another issue of short term gain versust long term benefit, which seem to be fairly common in Eve. There was no way to make the skill change without making some people unhappy. Is the way it'll be implemented the perfect way? No. But there is no perfect way. Is it the best possible way? Most likely, yes.

So basically, our mr. self entitlement, you didn't notice the skill change in time. You are unwilling and angry about having to compromise your current skill training plan for even a few days. You feel slighted that some skills change without anyone asking for your permission or giving you free skill points as compensation for nothing.

Your posts remind me of that rude old woman who tried to bypass the line at the grocery store earlier this week. Self centered and slighted when someone was rude to her by not letting her go infornt of the whole line and act like she ownd the damn place.

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Anti-social Tendencies
Society for Miner Education
#62 - 2013-06-01 23:23:49 UTC
Alexander Dreygar wrote:
What I am losing is my progress on Battlecruisers and Destroyers, and which will require weeks of training all over again if I want to fly other races ships.

Like I said, this cheats newer players and I will voice my opinion on the matter.


No sympathy I'm afraid. Look at it this way, there are plenty of us that pay with our own money for multiple accounts, each with multiple toons. I have been able to get most of my primary characters trained up fully, but not all my alts. I'm not whining because an alt of mine can fly Caldari BC but can't fly any other races. It is just the way it is.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#63 - 2013-06-02 00:39:08 UTC
Gotta go with suggestion C, screw those players.

As has been mentioned already, this was months in the making, and they gave full and complete notice. If you don't check patch notes, that is not my, or CCP's problem.

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Douglas Whyte
WhyteKream
#64 - 2013-06-02 00:44:42 UTC
You've OBVIOUSLY haven't read the devblog completely. What you saw was, we're making skill advancement more linear and less confusing to players by re-modeling the destroyer/battlecruiser skills we added years ago as a part of a expansion initially implemented as a new feature we wanted to test.

Yes, does it suck that IF SHOULD YOU WANTED to fly all BC/Destroyers you now need to train specifically to a race, sure. However keep in mind, if you really wanted this... wouldn't you've already had the skills to do so?

There is far more to flying a ship then the skill to do so. Especially if you started with missiles, as training for turret's is an entirely new tree. Not to mention defenses.

You're whining...
You're the by product of a generation that expects to be awarded for your pressense and not your determination.

This change makes sense, and allows CCP the ability to expand on the destroyer/Battlecruiser classes further now that they are officially integrated in our progression.

You even further fail to convince anybody when you're argument to feeling forced to train these skills is that it leaves you no room to train mining/industrial... a completely different career tree.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#65 - 2013-06-02 00:46:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
Just because it's so relevant and I love it: Suck it up and carry on.
Bronya Boga
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2013-06-02 00:57:28 UTC
How can you lose something you didn't have in the first place? you didn't have the ability to fly Gallente BC's so you wont be able to do so after Odyssey...why do you think you are entitled to just free SP?

honestly if you had enough time to train those you should have even if it would push the rest of your training to later. but you didn't so now, like anything else in EVE, you got to pay for it. In your case its training time.
DeLindsay
Galaxies Fall
#67 - 2013-06-02 06:35:39 UTC
Quote:
A) I pay for my game time with real money.
B) A new player has more important things to skill than every racial frigate and racial cruiser so that they can reap the one sided benefits of these expansion changes.

So you're saying as a brand new player you plan to fly EVERY SINGLE Race's Destroyer and Battlecruiser all the time? I've been playing for over 7 years and I don't even fly 2 of the Races except for a few exceptions. Just because everyone wants the ability to fly every ship in the game doesn't mean they will actually fly every ship in the game, let alone have a hangar full of multiple tens of Billions worth of ships just waiting for you to jump in and undock them. You aren't losing out on anything, SP padding means NOTHING in Eve Online like it does in other MMO's.

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kardjaval
Curtana Joyeuse and Durendal Security
#68 - 2013-06-02 07:09:44 UTC
if a player is "NEW" and cross training into multiple races...then he either isn't "NEW" or he's a complete moron, cross training is something advances players do, not new players, this change does NOT hamper a new player or present ANY strain, instead it reinforce PROPER ship skill progression...

Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#69 - 2013-06-02 07:26:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Azrael Dinn
I might be completely wrong but didn't they reduce the time taken to train up a skill for destroyers and battlecruisers. So you can actualy get into one faster.

Now for the fact that you cant get into 4 of them at once is a shame but I still don't think this is a problem for you cause your a new player and you should focus your training anyways on something. And mixing 4 races gets you no where except into ships with no modules.

This is just my opinion. You should have a 2 semi-good fittings with skills rather than 20 poorly fitted and skilled ones.

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#70 - 2013-06-02 10:51:09 UTC
I initially thought they'd already change those skills for retribution 1.1, so I had all BC trained to V at that point (at a time it really made no sense, scanalt with battlecruiser V). Didn't you play aswell at that time? Cause 'Announced changes to battlecruisers/destroyers' was a devblog at that time, featuring the part 'if you want to cash in 6.2mil free SP, start training right NAOW' - that was around 6 months ago.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#71 - 2013-06-02 10:55:56 UTC
This was announced back in December. It's now June.

I don't even know what to say that I didn't say previously or someone else hasn't already said.

Oh right, CCP also specifically stated that they want to slow down cross-training while keeping same-race training the same or speeding it up slightly.
Ryuu Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#72 - 2013-06-02 12:05:32 UTC
Op is a special kind of stupid isn't he/she all entitled and such.

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ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
#73 - 2013-06-02 12:17:02 UTC
This is still a thread?

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