Player Features and Ideas Discussion

My character is a few months old and a lot of that time I left Eve, with that being said these Odyssey changes where they are converting Destroyers and Battlecruisers into individual racial skills puts a severe strain on new players.

A) I pay for my game time with real money.
B) A new player has more important things to skill than every racial frigate and racial cruiser so that they can reap the one sided benefits of these expansion changes.

Now, some of you may say "Oh boo hoo, they gave plenty of notice" Well, that may be but having just returned to Eve and finding out about this, I had very little notice. Though most importantly, training all racial frigates and cruisers to their respective levels in order to unlock destroyers and battlecruisers across the board is something that isn't practical; and I'd basically be wasting 2-3 weeks of training when I could be putting that towards mining, industrial, or combat related skills to help me earn isk and enjoy the game more.

My suggestions are simple, and I'm pretty unhappy about CCP's decision to not think things thoroughly enough..

Suggestion A) If a player has destroyers and battlecruisers, they get every racial destroyer and battlecruiser up to their level. Some races might be locked progress until they train the prerequisite frigate and cruiser skills.

Suggestion B) If suggestion A is impractical, then compensate people with unallocated SP.

However, do not do

Suggestion C) Say screw you to players who haven't been playing years and already have those prerequisites trained/and or to those players who had nothing better to do than to grind out those skills because they already had solid isk generating skills and could afford to waste valuable training time on it.

Everything I wrote in my post, if you cared to read it, is my general understanding of how the changes will work.

Example.

Caldari Frigates IV
Caldari Cruiser III

Required for

Battlecruisers I

= Post Odyssey you get Caldari Battlecruisers I

Which means if you have Battlecruisers I-V you will get Caldari Battlecruisers I-V

Which also means if you do not have

Minmatar Frigates IV
Minmatar Cruiser III

Gallente Frigates IV
Gallente Cruiser III

Amarr Frigates IV
Amarr Cruiser III

Well... tough luck, you'll just have to train

Minmatar Battlecruisers
Gallente Battlecruisers
Amarr Battlecruisers

from the start.

CCP's policy is "If you can fly it now, and we change stuff around, you can still fly it."

So if you can fly Minmatar Destroyers and battlecruisers, but not Gallente, Amarr, or Caldari.. then after the skill change, you can still fly Minmatar destroyers and battlecruisers, but not Gallente, Amarr, or Caldari.

Are you losing anything? No.

What I am losing is my progress on Battlecruisers and Destroyers, and which will require weeks of training all over again if I want to fly other races ships.

Like I said, this cheats newer players and I will voice my opinion on the matter.

No no, feel free to voice your opinion. Just don't whine when nobody listens.

Again, you're not losing anything. You can still fly what you can already fly. Yes, it's going to take you (a little) longer to cross train into another race. That's a side effect of the change, but you're not being cheated out of anything, you're not losing anything.

Stop being so blind. I am losing my progress on Destroyers and Battlecruisers. Right now if I wanted to fly a Gallente Battlecruiser I only need to train Gallente Frigates IV and Gallente Cruisers III. Post Odyssey my progress in Battlecruisers will mean nothing and I will have to retrain all races.

So, effectively players are being cheated.

I'm not being blind, you're being whiny. You are not losing any progress on Destroyers or Battlecruisers. You'll still be able to fly _____ Battlecruiser with the EXACT same proficiency as you can right now. Yes, if you want to train into another race, you are also going to have to train THEIR battlecruiser skill, rather than just automatically being able to fly it. Are you getting cheated out of anything?

No.

The Odyssey ship progression will be level 3 for the next size ship.

I just quoted this important snippit. You put everything off to train for these skills. Bravo! Though for some of us who can't afford to put everything off... and I'm sorry I'm not going to pay for a game where I can't enjoy it because I'm too busy training skills that aren't readily going to make my character any better.

However, I still feel, and this is not whining but voicing my opinion... That my current progression in skills is value and not something I should need to retrain again... and again... and again... just because I didn't have all the racial skills.

Opinion or whine when you start asking for FREE SP's people are going to flame you. Hell, any post will get some flaming so get a T2 Fire Suit but don't stop from posting up if you have ideas, engage with the community and read for changes etc.

You'll never miss another chance to get ahead of the curve even if you never use it.