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New dev blog: Ship-troduction: The Minmatar Tornado

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Dennie Fleetfoot
DUST University
#221 - 2011-10-21 17:21:51 UTC
DJ Xaphod wrote:
I want more EVE physical models. Possibly as airfix style glue together yourself kind of things.

am I the only one?

No, your not the only one.

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V'oba
Omnivores of Mediocrity
Omnivores
#222 - 2011-10-21 17:34:32 UTC
I suspect these new ships will become the new cheap(ish) weapon of choice for hit and runs against BS gangs. They'll probably also be quite good against cruisers/ other BCs if they can keep range.

And if they get tackled they're ******, which i think is a fairly even trade off. One interceptor or AF would ruin these thing's day.
David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#223 - 2011-10-21 17:35:24 UTC  |  Edited by: David Grogan
hey CCP will we also get tech II tier 3 bc anytime soon?

Also what about npc pirate faction bc?

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David Grogan
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#224 - 2011-10-21 17:38:28 UTC
V'oba wrote:
I suspect these new ships will become the new cheap(ish) weapon of choice for hit and runs against BS gangs. They'll probably also be quite good against cruisers/ other BCs if they can keep range.

And if they get tackled they're ******, which i think is a fairly even trade off. One interceptor or AF would ruin these thing's day.


to be honest a good logi fleet should be able to keep them alive..... we already see the effectiveness of welpcanes vs supers.

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Mioelnir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#225 - 2011-10-21 17:48:25 UTC
GRIEV3R wrote:
It's complicated.


Highlighting the most important part.
This just in, eve pvp a bit more complicated again.
GRIEV3R
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#226 - 2011-10-21 17:50:12 UTC
Mioelnir wrote:
GRIEV3R wrote:
It's complicated.


Highlighting the most important part.
This just in, eve pvp a bit more complicated again.



Yep. And that's definitely a good thing.

I for one can't wait!
wicked cheese
Doomheim
#227 - 2011-10-21 17:50:22 UTC
even though the blog says its going to be the tier 3 battlecruiser i still wonder. the concept of these ships using oversized guns will be new to eve, which i one reason i doubt they will be T1. when bc's first came out they did not have fleet bonus's, most T1 ships didnt have unique bonus's when they came out. (by unique i mean new concepts brought with them(caps barges and freighters being the exceptions; but they also recieved their own catagory)). ship cost and advantages/disadvantages aside; its just out of ccps structure to do that.

chances are it wont be T2 as they would either have to reskin the tier 2's or introduce a T1 regular varient. although this is what i believe they should fall under with an appropriate tank to justify the cost.

i kinda lean towards the thought of it being T3. it would seem to fall under advanced technology category, along with the fact that theres only 4 T3 ships and a shitton of T1. but i would have figured a T3 frig would have surfaced long before a T3 bc would, unless they couldnt find a good role for them.

this release may lead to frigs with med guns and battleships with cap guns. much like covop dictors and the AF/HAC/CS that are set up similar did. which is why i dont see it just being added to the T1 list.

but they still did present it as the tier 3 bc (could the T3 cruisers be considered Tier5?). theirs only 1 of each T1 destroyer and 2 of each T1 amarr/caldari industrials so saying the field was less than the other T1 sub caps wouldnt be a good argument. the only reason i could figure for intentionally misguiding people is so that everyone and their mother didnt go crazy on the T3 market (see: PI update). only time will tell but i honestly dont see this being T1 unless its got a cruiser sized tank
Raid'En
#228 - 2011-10-21 17:53:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Raid'En
Ingvar Angst wrote:
Does anyone else see these new BCs getting eaten up by swarms of smaller ships?

"Captain! Tordado sighted dead ahead!"

"Send in the assault frigates!"

i would like if they design them that way.

able to kill their sized companions, but very vulnerable to ants.
seems close to what they want to change supers to btw
Ad'Hakim Tahous
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#229 - 2011-10-21 17:54:26 UTC
I endorse this product..... Pocket Battleships FTW
Garbad theWeak
#230 - 2011-10-21 17:55:20 UTC
Will we need to train a new skill to use these ships (ala command ships)?

Also, changing skill plan to perfect large projectiles and hybrids!
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#231 - 2011-10-21 18:02:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Laktos wrote:
CCP have said they will not tank like battleships. That does not mean they will tank like battlecruisers, the dev blog did not put a limit on how little they will tank, only on how much they can tank.
Yes, but the wording is indicative of a rather flawed thinking: they get the benefit of BS guns, and the supposed price for this is “not a BS tank” which is not a price at all.
Quote:
I imagine they will only be able to field the tank of a shield hurricane or brutix. Which will balance out their large dps and make them massive primary targets in fleet battles, diminishing their value.
No, it does not balance it out. It means they don't lose any tanking ability compared to the other BCs, and get extra damage output out of nowhere, with no drawbacks.

If they were given the tanks of a shield-tanked thorax or rupture, then we'd be talking balance: weapons one size higher — tank one size lower (edit: ok, not necessarily shield tanked at that point… but still, no longer a BC-level tank).


My bet would be that they have none of the traditional BC tanking special abilities (which is what makes current BC exceptional in this regard). Typical BC stats with no tank bonus makes for a "relatively" easy kill.

Hopefully I'm right and you are wrong on this one. Smile

Otherwise I'll stand beside you singing the songs of protest, and make another entry into my "Book of Grudges".

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Grytok
KL0NKRIEGER
#232 - 2011-10-21 18:07:12 UTC
We definately need more stuff like that, as if blobs of Hurricanes and Drakes aren't annoying enough allready :facepalm:

CCP continues to miss the things that really need fixing, like sov-mechanics, true-sec and moon-minerals.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#233 - 2011-10-21 18:08:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Quote:
even though the blog says its going to be the tier 3 battlecruiser i still wonder. the concept of these ships using oversized guns will be new to eve, which i one reason i doubt they will be T1.


Stealth Bombers proved the concept had merit (granted, they are a T2 ship).

If the concept works, and it does work well, why not introduce it to a standard Tier 3 ship as well...

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Herschel Yamamoto
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#234 - 2011-10-21 18:17:52 UTC
I'm kind of sad that it wasn't a cycle of tier-1 EW BSes, with the web bonus Pattern outlined, to line up with the Scorpion(and give the Caldari a third combat battleship, to fill out that cycle), because I do love me some EW/DPS fits. But this could be cool too - I'm looking forward to the stats.
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
New Eden Alliance 99013733
#235 - 2011-10-21 18:22:49 UTC
Sweet, can't wait for the new Drakes fitted with torps/cruise missiles.

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Alara IonStorm
#236 - 2011-10-21 18:25:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Sweet, can't wait for the new Drakes fitted with torps/cruise missiles.

Hear that. Listen very carefully it is quite.

/whimper

That is the sound of the Raven realizing it will never be flown again.
Max Von Sydow
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#237 - 2011-10-21 18:25:15 UTC
I wonder if they're gonna give us new destroyers next expansion?
With medium guns perhaps?
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#238 - 2011-10-21 18:29:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Sable Moran
Tres Farmer wrote:

David Grogan wrote:
cyclone, hurricane, tornado, if ever a tier 4 one comes out what is left to name it with? Gale?

Taifun Cool


Taifun = typhoon.

Original Japanese: 台風

English transliteration:
台 = ty
風 = phoo(n)

Finnish transliteration:
台 = tai
風 = fuu(ni)

Transliteration is different but the pronunciation is exactly the same.

Although the smiley there makes me suspect that you possibly are aware of this.

Interesting side note: No f as such in Japanese it's more like a mix of 60% h and 40% f.

Oh yea, almost forgot; I welcome our new tier 3 BC overlords. What next? Battleships with oversized turrets? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=131968#post131968

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Alistair Cononach
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#239 - 2011-10-21 18:31:54 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Sweet, can't wait for the new Drakes fitted with torps/cruise missiles.

Hear that. Listen very carefully it is quite.

/whimper

That is the sound of the Raven realizing it will never be flown again.


Unless, of course, they don't give the Tier 3 BC's drones.

--Weak but Speedy Tank

--Large Guns

--No Drones

Insta-elimination as far as Raven-Replacing PvE-utillity.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#240 - 2011-10-21 18:33:03 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Sweet, can't wait for the new Drakes fitted with torps/cruise missiles.

Hear that. Listen very carefully it is quite.

/whimper

That is the sound of the Raven realizing it will never be flown again.


If these ships don't have any tank to speak of I don't think the Raven has much to worry about.

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