Test Server Feedback

Hi Gris X,

This is part of the feedback we have already received and we are working on making these icons more distinctive, both in shape and colour for an update soon after Odyssey.

Hopefully this will alleviate any issues that you have been encountering.

Thanks,
CCP RedDawn

After trying the newest iteration i would agree with who said the containers disappear too quickly. This is annoying because i still find myself wasting precious time in the beginning when the containers are close together, fighting with the interface and camera, trying to get a good look at the can names. PLEASE, put the cans in the overview. This is still so tedious and clunky.

You said you want to make this work in the 3d space. Let me tell you there is no sense of where the cans are in the 3d space because the brackets are all the same size no matter the distance and position in the room. Only via wild camera acrobatics i get a sense of their positioning and then be able to check the names and choose.

edit:

So i did this activity in a group with another pilot for the first time. We both agreed it's boring for the guy waiting for the cans to be hacked. Loot spew is a much different experience when in a group. Completely relaxed and easy to get everything. You don't have to look for the names because you get everything anyway. Just keep clicking them green cans and everything will be good. So its not just boring but also no challenge at all for the non hacker guy. Sorry guys but i don't get this. What's the point making the sites less enjoyable for solos just so that a group can not enjoy it anyways together.

I find this slightly confusing. The Echelon can't use any Relic Analyzers and since the only Data Analyzer it can use is the Sansha Purloined Data Analyzer (which can't be fitted to any other ship) why would you give a ship bonus to the Echelon instead of just altering the stats of the Sansha Analyzer?

^ +1

I have to say myself, that 2 patched ago the loot spew was manageable but now it is pretty bad again.
I can handle the speed of the cans if they would hang around for a little longer.
I could handle the rapid dissipation of the cans if they did not travel so fast.

I don't disagree- in fact, you can see airlocks on the sides of the buildings in data sites that we hack. This to me is actually a very cool part about the new system. If people are complaining about the actual concept of loot shooting into space, I'm with you on this one. It seems fun and interesting.

I don't have a background in user interface or anything, so I am more than likely completely full of it. But I realized recently that I've never really explained why I keep saying I think the mechanic itself is inconsistent, so I'm going to take a stab. If I made sense before or you don't care, I encourage you to ignore this post :)

Obviously all UI's have metaphors that they use. You don't actually shoot a ship's guns, you hit F1, etc. etc. With a game as complicated and deep as Eve Online, the metaphors have to be pretty sweeping and consistent or the game becomes harder to learn. Eve Online's UI is closer to an OS than a game, something that I think is pretty cool.

My concern is that NORMALLY when you click on something in 3D space, the overview, the inventory, etc. in Eve, you select it. You can then apply actions to it or whatever, but single clicking is afaik always a selection. So, the proper way to tractor something in Eve's UI metaphor would be to click on it, click on a module that tractors, and there you go. We have this functionality already... it's called tractor beam.

With this update, we now have a portion of the game (exploration) where single clicking both selects and does an action. Plus, it does the same thing that is already used somewhere else in the game, tractor beams. If you were going to make an exception to the OS style selection when you click rule, I just wish it was made so that all tractor beams worked the same way.

So you ask, does this REALLY matter? Probably not. As I tried to make clear before, chasing cans without direct control of your ship, the size of the cans, loot balance, etc. are way way more important to me. Operating system UI's are littered with inconsistencies and we seem to learn them just fine. But does it seem like a good UI design choice? Nah.

Again, I'm genuinely excited about the new mechanic and I think it's come a long way in the short time we've had to play with it. So don't get me wrong. I actually think that additional UI/sound feedback on what is being tractored and the ability to cancel it are the most important outstanding issues with exploration.

Anyway, it's been fun talking with all of you on here about these new features. See you in space o/

for what I've seen its different than that - you're rather digging in a trash bin hoping for a half of a hamburger someone dumped there under all the waste, or you go the easy mode and scan the cans, because all stuff whats not a tower or other POS module BPC is basically worthless sh*t, which is btw. one thing what bothers me most - the first explorer arriving at a fresh spawned site checks all cans and moves on if there is nothing of value, for all his successors probing down and doing the same thing (scanning cans) is basically a pure waste of time, over and over till the site despawns or some noob really hacks everything inside causing the site to despawn.
Big flaws I see with this new concept (of scannable cans especially).

im pretty sure they dont.
I tried 1 hour ago hacking with a gila, then docked, switched to a helios and went back to bookmark, the cans and half done site was still there.

One thing i just don't get is why does my ship suddenly have a tractor beam that only works for this?

so, NPC are removed from relic sites?

"This gate is locked! There are synchronized gate scramblers on all hostile entities in this deadspace pocket. Unless you are physically inside one of them to unscramble the signal, you must simply clear the vicinity of enemy ships. So grab your guns."

3 NPC BS waiting to be killed in a "Forgotten Ruins" Site.

then this in "Digital Complex" Data Site