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A little bit of everything actually.

- The old system you had 100% of the loot (even if this new system means you get roughly the same amount)
- The hard work is finding the site in the first place; to have that 'reward' reduced because of some sort of 'cash grab' is annoying.
- No other gameplay activity in EVE offers this 'partial' reward and so it feels like you'd be better off doing almost anything else where loot is 100% assured.

Its like finding a site now and from 4 cans available only 2 of them have any loot. Its annoying because you feel like you've done all the activities that would normally give a reward and then not getting any.

I will admit that its likely something that I will simply get used to and not think or care about as much; but my concern is more than a general reception of the idea is that you do 100% of the work and get 80% of the reward; it doesn't take a genius to find that is a bad deal..

Given the quote below CCP Bayesian needs to add an additional question.


"For the people saying the 'loot pinata is good/fine' and the like could you vocalise the things you like about it? To know what not to change and counteract some of the threads negativity."

Yes I was actually in the process of saying that if what CCP Bayesian goes ahead and the floating cans have clear name associated with them then I would agree that it would be BETTER than the existing system as you can pick the loot you like and it becomes a little more exciting to pick out the good stuff and at the same time avoiding the trash.

In that way the feeling you get from looting changes from only getting 80% of the overall loot (even if that loot is 30% trash) to 80% of the stuff you WANT :D

+1 to that idea CCP Bayesian!

Giving Tech 3 ships a virus strength bonus of any kind is, IMO, a huge mistake because there's nothing to stop people farming even the hardest nullsec relic/data sites in ships that are at no meaningful risk of dying while doing the sites or while travelling to and fro. From a combat pve standpoint, the power of the cloak/nullifier subsystems is counterbalanced by the fact that they cripple the ship's dps, making cloaky nullified ships unsuitable for running high end combat sites alone. However, the loss of damage and a low slot is completely immaterial if you're running relic and data sites. Furthermore, the design of the relic and data sites is such that people running them will be virtually impossible to catch if they're paying any kind of attention to local and d-scan because they can cloak up at will with no NPCs to lock them up or tackle them. Therefore, Tech 3s will be able to farm these sites without being subject to any risk of dying either in site or when travelling between sites. Giving them a virus strength bonus on top of that seems completely excessive- fitting the cloak/nullifier subsystems should make you bad at running relic/data sites for exactly the same reason that it makes you bad at running combat sites.

I disagree

Solkara Starlock, thanks for the feedback.

I just want to tackle a few of these points. Firstly I don't think a mechanic can be inherently bad if a portion of people like it and the trend we've seen so far on these threads is that as we make changes the feedback is becoming more positive. I think the mechanic in it's original form is annoying, unsatisfying and feels bad because it is inherently random.



To me these things are the same point. It's also an overarching one and doesn't really explain why people don't find it fun.



I imagine it working in this way for some people:

• A player approaches a site object and cargo scan it to find out the contents. They continue until they find a site object with contents that they like. They identify what kind of cans they want to go for.
• They complete the hacking attempt, there is tension here because of the knowledge about what it contains.
• They identify the correct can types and begin to collect one.
• They see the can type is correct but the contents of it are not what they really, really want to get so they cancel the tractoring.
• They find and tractor in another can of the same type.
• Get Bacon of the kind you are interested in.

This invites play between players in a couple of ways, firstly the sites themselves can be tackled optimally by groups working together. There was a Twitter conversation linked earlier that outlined one way people have tried this on a bigger scale. You can for example wait to destroy the system core and give people a chance to come to you. This lets groups clear out sites by tackling low value site objects individually that they don't mind losing some items from and clustering to deal with a site that contains excellent items. The players then also get to make choices about what kinds of stuff they want to take to maximise weight to value.

Solo players can now still go out and make a decent living (perhaps even better than before given the additional loot) by being selective about what they take. Taking a friend with you is more viable to deal with any other people who might steal your stuff and also to optimise the filtering and collection of cans.

Then we have all the opportunities for PVP and stealing of cans that create conflict and pull in everything from Crimewatch to the Bounty System.



Could you expand as to why it does not make sense please?



The first objection is untrue as there is lots of clicking in EVE, often that requires accuracy and speed. True, less of it is in the space scene. The second point is valid as this rapid decay of cans hasn't happened before but that is not to say that it shouldn't happen for that reason.

One way you could do this is to have the spread pattern always eject towards the hackers ship. This would at the very least allow the hacker to account for LCO's in the site by positioning themselves accordingly.

How does that nullified stop you from being insta locked and pointed while you are hacking the site?

Speed and accuracy yes, however EVE very rarely required BOTH at the same time and almost never when floating in space. There's a good reason for that too, navigating EVE's 3D space and using it to target things is very hard. There is a reason you do not expect us to use the camera controls and clicking in fleet fights or other forms of PVP. There is a reason you gave us the overview to work with.

Thus far, all the problems and complaints Solkara Starlock gave you could probably be solved by letting us use the overview to chase down the mini-cans. I do not understand why you are so dead-set on forcing us to use the camera controls to manually click down each tiny can after a hack.

Kel hound, I'll quote myself from the previous page:


I don't think we're dead set against it but would prefer to make the space interaction work.