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Practiced a bit in Obj A today and was rather pleasantly surprised. Loot pinata seemed much more doable than a couple days ago. Still the problem i raised in the beginning of the thread is still here. After doing 4 mainframes, my cargo was completely full. Parts, which are probably the most common container, take absurdly much space - 99% of everything that drops. I seriously believe it's necessary to shrink them from 1m^3 to 0.1m^3.

Not sure if this should be mentioned here, but it does relate to hacking so..

The Implant - Poteque 'Prospector' Environmental Analysis EY-1005 - is still set to -5% cycle time, for salvaging (which is ok) and hacking and archeology modules (for both of which cycle time is now pointless.)

The Implant - Poteque 'Prospector' Hacking HC-905 - Is adjusted for the update, with a +5 Coherence. On this one I just want to give my opinion, +5 coherence is quite pointless considering most strengths from the minigame are rounded to the x0 (20,30,40,etc) - So my feedback would be either set it to +10 coherence or +5 strength (which would be relevant considering sometimes you halve the firewall/etc coherence to half, sometimes a 05 does count in strength)

Probably many ppl pointed this out ahead of me but just to make sure it is said.

Cheers!

One thing that still bothers me about the minigame, is the randomness of it. The game is interesting, but not really hard per say. It's hard to win in the same way winning the lottery is hard. With Hacking V and T2 Codebreaker I still need to hope not to hit a suppressor and hope I find utilities or else in 0.0/Low sites or it's pretty much a failed hack.

Making the core defined may help to remove the click and pray aspect and give it some strategy.

Well CCP could introduce a module that you can fit to your ship that allows you to see the number of enemy nodes adjacent to your current node whilst hacking.

What about a fixed role bonus for the frigates (+5 tech I, +10 tech II) and a subsystem skill bonus for the tech III's (+2 per level)? That way Tech III pilots are subject to the SP loss and need to invest time to train the skill to overshadow covert-ops frigates.


I mentioned a skill based version of this here, but that skill could link into your module idea, so there'd be Tech I and Tech II versions.


Love this! Though the clothes should be one run BPC as I don't wanna wear a 20'000 year old piece of space junk, but you could use the discovered design to recreate it. The relics scattered around the Captain's quarter's was something I meant to mention with regards to my Archaeology lab idea, that ongoing or private projects would be represented in the lab by artifacts and relics. (If you've ever played Mass Effect 2's Stolen memory DLC and seen Hock's vault, something like an Incarna version of that would blow my mind, and imagine hiring dust troopers to raid another players vault for rare or missing artifacts... drool)

Audio logs I like as it adds story and a collection element to exploration. I can easily see myself sitting on my couch in CQ listening to them as I play the market or chat on a channel... Incarna could/should be so amazing.

I'm beginning to think that data sites should focus on profit and industry and relic sites should have just bonus items, like you said, avatar add-ons, CQ items and audio/text logs, stuff that you can't or won't want to sell on the market. Or if you did would appeal to a different consumer base.

Sheena Tzash wrote,

"The loot spillage affect to me is also very annoying simply because you put the work into getting this far to only get 10% of what your after - and most people won't be glad of the loot they got, they'll concern themselves with the stuff that they MISSED and so it'll seem like whenever you do exploration you'll LOSE something (or not gain 100%)"

If CCP do not understand this, they should hire any psychologist for half an hour, who will explain it to them.

Yeah this is a problem even if you have good eyesight in some of the sites! It won't be something we can fix before release sadly. I'll pass this on to the UI designer working with us.

My concern exactly. Even if this is considered to be a 'fun' mechanic (by the developers) the average player running the site won't feel like it because they would have missed out on something.

Very similar to the 'JC Penny Effect' recently covered in Extra Creditz:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmCn-csZStA

Checking in as (possibly) the only pilot on Singularity who does not feel the way described in the two posts above me.

Interesting video, I've got to say I think they overlooked the effect of an economy there. Firefall AFAIK doesn't have a player driven economic system in it (or even trading?) and that's a key component to making crafting more understandable and less abstract. Resources then have a known value and you measure your progress by what you can afford to buy or make and can set goals that way. Which is how EVE works. That said you should very obviously still be able to find items in the world in places where the context makes sense but those kind of drops need to be managed carefully as they essentially are creating value from nowhere which leads to inflation. In Firefall a system with more persistence might work nicely, so players have a chance of dropping some of their items when they die. In turn other players need to drive off/kill the NPCs or stumble across the item to discover it. Even better if it still bore the name of the previous owner on it for bragging rights.

This says a few things to me in terms of what people might want to make this system better fit perceptions:

• There needs to be more ceremony about the things you do get. One of the things we added was the icon displaying what you just picked up over the Cargo button. This is comparatively small and out of the way.
• Something we've discussed just this week is making the text box that currently displays things like "Orbiting" show what you're pulling in and allowing you to cancel and reselect another can. This is much nicer because it lets you take the risk of not getting anything in order to have more control over finding what you want.
• Our work to make the contents of the cans reflect the name, which should have been done much earlier, also helps a lot with the frustration of being interested in something in particular but entering into a pot luck to get it. Particularly if you've scanned the contents of the site object to find out what is in it. We need to make this visualisation much better than mouse over text.
• Adding things to the overview, this is really an option of last resort that I think fixes things which are usability defects. It's the "easy way out" as it's the workaround in EVE to dealing with the problems that exist interacting with things in the scene.

Overall I think it's that feeling of control that is missing. It feels like a punishment not to get the thing you want because the game system is in charge of that more than you are. If we give people more information and let them make choices based on it