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I would buy a PLEX if I could sell it for 2 billion ISK. How about you?

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Doc Severide
Doomheim
#41 - 2013-05-20 12:06:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Severide
I don't buy plex but I do get most of my in game ISK by buying Game TIme Codes and trade them for ISK on the forums. It is a win-win, I get the ISK and whoever buys my GTC gets to play. I make very good money in RL and for the roughly 40 minutes of my RL working I can get 1 Billion ISK. And in fact using my on call pay to fund ISK means I don't actually work at all for it.

I don't have a problem with any of the "that's cheating" comments. This is a valid mechanic designed and approved by CCP and I intend to use it...

(edit)

This does pose some pros and cons though...

Pro - I don't worry about "taking out my ship that I bought with 4 weeks of grinding" for fear of losing it...

Con - With billions of ISK only a few mouse clicks away, there is no way I will ever go back to "earning" ISK. If they took GTC's away I would likely quit. But that will never happen, way to many people use PLEX/GTC's to play...
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#42 - 2013-05-20 12:09:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Corey Fumimasa
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
I'll let someone else respond to that because I'm way too courteous for the language required in order to do so.

(@Corey)

You are not generally courteous. You seem to feel that you as a player have some kind of rights here beyond what is outlined in the EULA, as though the virtual goods that CCP allows you to play with are yours. Everything in your hanger is owned by CCP. They can do whatever they like to the market or the goods in game at any time. You may not like that fact, but that doesn't change the EULA.

I for one would like to see more pronounced business cycles in the market and the game, we have never had a real depression in Eve. That might be fun to go through, to see how well you could do and who would come out on top. I think that CCP is a bit too controlling with the economy sometimes, there's no way it would be on such an even keel otherwise.

Its funny over the years how the Eve population has shifted from a 'roll with the punches' crowd to a group that feels as though they have "rights" in game external to the EULA. People that whine and complain when a game that is advertised as being harsh and difficult is more harsh and difficult than they like.

Who is it that you think would be all up in arms about increasing the in game worth of PLEX?
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#43 - 2013-05-20 12:19:13 UTC
I might not have "rights" in the sense of actual ownership of the contents of my hangars, but CCP sure as hell won't endanger my ability to use those items as I see fit within the confines of the game's rule set. They can transgress on that unspoken pact if they wish, but then Kotaku articles get written, and honorable businessmen cut their stomachs with butter knives.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#44 - 2013-05-20 12:23:12 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
...and honorable businessmen cut their stomachs with butter knives.

I just butter my stomach...
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#45 - 2013-05-20 12:25:27 UTC
Oh, so you and the players like you would start jumping out of virtual buildings if the Eve economy hit a depression? That would be kind of cool to see on the news. It would go well in the MOMA exhibit!
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-05-20 12:27:18 UTC
Yes, CCP is sure able to buy up gigantic amounts of PLEX with seeded ISK

Yes, you'd see a massive backlash from the playerbase that would make Monoclegate and t20gate look like petty disagreements

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#47 - 2013-05-20 12:30:30 UTC
Andski wrote:
Yes, CCP is sure able to buy up gigantic amounts of PLEX with seeded ISK

Yes, you'd see a massive backlash from the playerbase that would make Monoclegate and t20gate look like petty disagreements

Oh, welcome to the discussion hair. "Massive backlash" huh? Why because it would throw some shocks into the game economy?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-05-20 12:31:09 UTC
Keep in mind that the OP was previously suggesting that CCP make PLEX scams a bannable offense because in his opinion, they should be treated differently from other items. Also something about it driving away "the kids" or some nonsense

Now he's complaining that the price of PLEX is too low for him to consider buying and he thinks CCP should buy up thousands of units of PLEX and floor it at 2b

These two ideas are a bit, well, conflicting

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-05-20 12:32:22 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Oh, welcome to the discussion hair. "Massive backlash" huh? Why because it would throw some shocks into the game economy?


If you don't see why there would be a massive backlash you should probably stop posting bad ideas like this

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#50 - 2013-05-20 12:35:08 UTC
"Let's throw some 'shocks' into the economy by spawning over one trillion ISK from thin air"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#51 - 2013-05-20 12:36:11 UTC
I guess it might cause the destruction of some game wealth, but Eve is partly about loss and overcoming difficulties. And honestly if doing so would sell more PLEX and not change the current dynamic of "sandbox gameplay" at all it just seems like there would be more money coming in to the Eve side of CCP which is good for the game. It will get more funding as far as manpower for the next xpac.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-05-20 12:38:35 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
I guess it might cause the destruction of some game wealth, but Eve is partly about loss and overcoming difficulties. And honestly if doing so would sell more PLEX and not change the current dynamic of "sandbox gameplay" at all it just seems like there would be more money coming in to the Eve side of CCP which is good for the game. It will get more funding as far as manpower for the next xpac.


Right because the DEVELOPERS SPAWNING CURRENCY TO BUY UP TRILLIONS OF ISK IN PLEX doesn't change the sandbox dynamic

Hooooly ****

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#53 - 2013-05-20 12:43:45 UTC
Also you seem to think that people would just carry on fine, buying PLEX at 2b/pop to keep their accounts active

Hint: they won't, and you'd see people dropping accounts and sticking to one or two that they'll pay for in cash, or leaving the game entirely because well you know CCP just threw the entire "player-driven economy" part of the game out the window. You'd see a massive PCU drop and the only way that 2b/unit price for PLEX would be sustainable would be through CCP putting up buy orders, which would basically ruin the entire point of PLEX

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#54 - 2013-05-20 12:43:55 UTC
Andski wrote:
"Let's throw some 'shocks' into the economy by spawning over one trillion ISK from thin air"


Well that's why it would make sense to subsidize the PLEX with items rather than ISK. They could have a whole bunch of packages to choose from , different ships all ready set up with modules and fits would be cool. People are just going to take them out and get them blown up anyway. They could even set them up so there are no mod drops off of those ships if you really want.

And it wouldn't affect the markets that much anyway, the people buying this stuff probably don't have the time to grind the ISK to buy it if things remain as they are. So this gets more action into the game than would have existed before, more PvP, and more options for people to try things out.




Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#55 - 2013-05-20 12:47:53 UTC
Also if you think there wouldn't be a backlash over something to this scale when people complain every time CCP adds something that you can redeem with PLEX, whether it's character resculpting or dual character training, you should probably stop trying to tell us how the playerbase reacts to CCP doing things

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-05-20 12:48:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Well that's why it would make sense to subsidize the PLEX with items rather than ISK. They could have a whole bunch of packages to choose from , different ships all ready set up with modules and fits would be cool. People are just going to take them out and get them blown up anyway. They could even set them up so there are no mod drops off of those ships if you really want.

And it wouldn't affect the markets that much anyway, the people buying this stuff probably don't have the time to grind the ISK to buy it if things remain as they are. So this gets more action into the game than would have existed before, more PvP, and more options for people to try things out.


"Redeem a PLEX and get two free battleships!"

Yeah that wouldn't affect the markets at all

I, too, pretend to have a clue about the in-game economy

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#57 - 2013-05-20 12:55:26 UTC
Andski wrote:
Keep in mind that the OP was previously suggesting that CCP make PLEX scams a bannable offense because in his opinion, they should be treated differently from other items. Also something about it driving away "the kids" or some nonsense

Now he's complaining that the price of PLEX is too low for him to consider buying and he thinks CCP should buy up thousands of units of PLEX and floor it at 2b

These two ideas are a bit, well, conflicting


My point there, and here is that when a paying customer buys an item they have some expectation of that item. If the item fails to meet those expectations then people generally don't buy more. I think PLEX should have a subsidized "floor" under it so that it is a consistently good product.

And the result of that last thread wasn't that PLEX scams should be banned; rather that PLEX should be a riskier but more valuable item than Time Code. Time Code would be the default way for people to buy in game currency and it would have protections. In this way only older more savvy players would be dealing in PLEX and they would get a premium for doing so. Players brand new to the game or players who receive Time code as a gift would be protected in that transaction.

I was very happy with that thread, and I still think its a great idea.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#58 - 2013-05-20 12:57:08 UTC
Stop...Stop...*cries*

Can't you see he's already dead?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Corey Fumimasa
CFM Salvage
#59 - 2013-05-20 13:00:07 UTC
Andski wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
Well that's why it would make sense to subsidize the PLEX with items rather than ISK. They could have a whole bunch of packages to choose from , different ships all ready set up with modules and fits would be cool. People are just going to take them out and get them blown up anyway. They could even set them up so there are no mod drops off of those ships if you really want.

And it wouldn't affect the markets that much anyway, the people buying this stuff probably don't have the time to grind the ISK to buy it if things remain as they are. So this gets more action into the game than would have existed before, more PvP, and more options for people to try things out.


"Redeem a PLEX and get two free battleships!"

Yeah that wouldn't affect the markets at all

I, too, pretend to have a clue about the in-game economy


It wouldn't. Those battleships would never have been bought off of the market anyway because the person using PLEX to buy them probably doesn't have time to grind all the ISK anyway. All it does is create more potential for PVP as players who just couldn't afford to PvP in battleships before can now give it a try.


Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#60 - 2013-05-20 13:04:00 UTC
But aren't they buying the PLEXes from CCP to sell them for ISK on the market in order to use the ISK to buy battleships in the first place?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted