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Player Rewards for Live Event Participation and Contribution

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Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
Local Is Primary
#1 - 2013-05-13 17:57:10 UTC
So... I was looking at pictures of the new model for the Apocalypse (oh god sexy) and someone sent me a screenshot the Apocalypse Imperial Issue. (Dear Lawd.) How sad it was, I thought, that I would probably never get to see one in space, let alone fly one.

However, this got me thinking.

The Apoc Imperial Issue has only been handed out in relation to the old live events. Very few were given out, and as a result they have become some kind of mythical, legendary beast amongst players, whispered about with a hint of awe in their tone, especially during the dark days when live events no longer existed.

However, now is a different time. I think it is soon time to start rewarding legendary players and legendary efforts with legendary ships such as the Apoc Imperial Issue, along with their other racial counterparts.

Now, I am by no means proposing that they be given away like candy to just anyone that participates in live events. A group or individual should have to do something meaningful and special for one. I'll leave it up to the dev team to decide what that entails, but I would like to open up the subject for discussion.

I am not going to lie, my ambition is to land one of those Golden Glory Boats and achieve Imperial War Hero status so that my character is immortalized in EVE history. I have high hopes! DO NOT CRUSH THEM.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#2 - 2013-05-13 18:25:44 UTC
Will sell my firstborn for an opportunity at a Fedthron*.





*Though my heart is set on a CONCORD Special OPS Battleship I know I'll never get my hands on one =(

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#3 - 2013-05-14 00:51:15 UTC
The issue is very touchy, due to this sort of thing being a scandel with live events in the past being used simply to hand out stuff to friends.
Obviously this was years ago and the current live events team was uninvolved.
But it's still a huge issue, especially if anything rare gets handed out. What makes one persons contribution any more than someone elses. Especially in a RP type enviroment. How do you score RP? What if that person over there is RP'ing someone who is neutral to this event, so does nothing just observes, does that make them a better or worse contributor to the guy that just wants to gank the shiny ship so organises an attack fleet.
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
Local Is Primary
#4 - 2013-05-14 02:05:34 UTC
Well, if not through Live Events, how can these special ships be distributed? Are they never going to be used again?

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#5 - 2013-05-14 02:35:20 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
Well, if not through Live Events, how can these special ships be distributed? Are they never going to be used again?

Well, I'm not 'against' the idea of things getting handing out. But there needs to be a very very transparent process that doesn't only reward certain styles of play over all the others if things are going to be given out.
And personally I can't think of how to design such a process, even if I was only giving out T1 Battle Cruisers & Cruisers without seeming unfair or biased sometimes.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
#6 - 2013-05-14 05:42:43 UTC
Currently, this sort of thing bugs me a tiny bit, due to the heavy use by Marketing of Incarna-related liveried ships. My character is Ishukone-oriented, solidly in the liberal block, but at present has no avenue to showing Ishukone livery or even wear the uniform, as the special edition Ishu Watch shirts are male-only. Derp?

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Akrasjel Lanate
Lanate Industries
#7 - 2013-05-14 07:06:12 UTC
Im not sure about that, how would you judge one deserves it, such stuff would create so much drama, don't think Team Illuminati would like to have drama around them.

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Grideris
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-05-14 07:06:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Grideris
Caellach Marellus wrote:
Will sell my firstborn for an opportunity at a Fedthron*.





*Though my heart is set on a CONCORD Special OPS Battleship I know I'll never get my hands on one =(


I second this post. Both parts :(

On the main point of the topic, I think it's going to be very difficult to justify handing out the existing rare ships. However, I think it's more likely that we might see them hand out faction-skinned regular ships as they just look different, but have the same stats as the T1 version (unlike the Empire Battleships which have "better" stats than their faction counterparts). Not to mention that it doesn't tread on the toes of those few players that do own the "Empire" Battleships already.

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Jassmin Joy
Pulling The Plug
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#9 - 2013-05-14 08:27:57 UTC
The rare special edition ships should never be handed out again, There's only one fedthron in exsistance and while i'd murder my granny for a chance at flying it, Handing them out again after so long wouldent be fair on the collectors who've paid unimaginable amounts of isk, the tribal tempest and a imperial (geddon?) i think it was both recently sold for 2trillion isk...each.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#10 - 2013-05-14 09:44:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
The live events should be their own reward and people should contribute because it is fun for them.

At least I don't need or want any sort of other reward than the enjoyment I get out of them and I think starting to reward people would encourage the wrong sort of participation anyway.

Of course, that does not mean there could not be a live event that has something to do with special ships and handing them out, but in my opinion they should not a reward to visible people, but something where everyone could have the chance of earning one.

(Not that I'd turn it down if the Minnie powers that be wanted to give me an awesome ship. Even if the way I've talked to / about them lately, they are likelier to give me a court-martial, tbh.)
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-05-14 09:45:26 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
Well, if not through Live Events, how can these special ships be distributed? Are they never going to be used again?


CCP is churning out new faction ships anyway on a yearly basis. Arn't Sarum Magnates and etc. enough to suit your needs? No need to reissue existing old oddities.

You might as well ask CCP to reissue ALL the Alliance Tournament ships for Live Events as well (but hey, that wouldn't be fair for the original winners of the tournaments right? Neither for the collectors who paid 60 billion ISKs to acquire an individual ship!)
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#12 - 2013-05-14 09:48:59 UTC
Jassmin Joy wrote:
The rare special edition ships should never be handed out again, There's only one fedthron in exsistance and while i'd murder my granny for a chance at flying it, Handing them out again after so long wouldent be fair on the collectors who've paid unimaginable amounts of isk, the tribal tempest and a imperial (geddon?) i think it was both recently sold for 2trillion isk...each.

Thats market speculation. Other than the AT ships, I don't believe CCP has ever said something is limited edition. So it really is at buyer risk to speculate that something won't be handed out again at a later date. CCP have said so themselves recently that they won't limit themselves simply because players buy & sell rare items. Only where CCP has declared something to be Limited, rather than Special edition.
But.... as above, I just can't see how you could judge who is worth giving a ship to and who isn't. Even for the simple T1 stuff how do you decide who is entitled & who isn't.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-05-14 10:05:45 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Jassmin Joy wrote:
The rare special edition ships should never be handed out again, There's only one fedthron in exsistance and while i'd murder my granny for a chance at flying it, Handing them out again after so long wouldent be fair on the collectors who've paid unimaginable amounts of isk, the tribal tempest and a imperial (geddon?) i think it was both recently sold for 2trillion isk...each.

Thats market speculation. Other than the AT ships, I don't believe CCP has ever said something is limited edition. So it really is at buyer risk to speculate that something won't be handed out again at a later date. CCP have said so themselves recently that they won't limit themselves simply because players buy & sell rare items. Only where CCP has declared something to be Limited, rather than Special edition.
But.... as above, I just can't see how you could judge who is worth giving a ship to and who isn't. Even for the simple T1 stuff how do you decide who is entitled & who isn't.


Once again, all this issue could be resolved by CCP providing ships with different skins. There is a way to respect "Collecting" as a profession and those who are delve in it, while suiting the other constituents who want something with the words "Imperial or Federate" on them. Recent addition of "Sarum Magnates" and etc, is a good way.

There is absolutely no need to anger hundreds of those who spent countless hours and billions to trillions of ISK in the name of collecting, only to see them getting devalued by participating in a Live Event for 5 minutes.

On the other hand, I support handing out NEW SUPER RARE SHIPS for those who have played an integral part in the Live Events. A good example would be something like Grideris leading an entire invasion force to **** and pillage Sanshas in Jove Space) and being bestowed with a truly unique Jovian Batlteship.
Zaxix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-05-14 16:12:58 UTC
The reward for live events should be the experience of the event and perhaps access (temporary or permanent) to some sort of related content.

Personally, I didn't resub for the purpose of more ISK and loot. You can get plenty of that stuff all over EVE. What I want out of live events is a memorable experience beyond the "we shot stuff, we looted stuff" experience. The CCP dev fleets were interesting and, for the one I managed to attend, fun and silly. But the promise of dev corpses and PLEX or other valuable items just draws in huge fleets that turn the experience into something akin to the mad scramble of children when a pinata breaks open.

I'd like to see something like (total bias here) you participate in the Path to Jove Space event and achieve the objective within the parameters of the event. As a reward, CCP reactivates one of the Jove agents and you can use said agent for X amount of time to gain standing (maybe LP, but I'd like to get away from the loot angle). Or, you get docking rights in Jove space. Or you get an "escalation" and move on to further content. If you don't complete the initial event in time, no escalations. The reward is the extra content.

Anyway, thats my two cents!

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Akrasjel Lanate
Lanate Industries
#15 - 2013-05-14 16:33:17 UTC
But in the end.
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
The live events should be their own reward and people should contribute because it is fun for them.

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Citizen of Solitude

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
#16 - 2013-05-14 19:30:42 UTC
An easy system to use? Would be for players involved in events to be awarded LP and standing appropriate to their actions. It might require some after-action review by the involved GM storytellers, but it'd use existing systems to recognize action. It could very easily be calibrated to existing mission formats -- so smaller sessions have rewards equal to an L3 or L4 mission, larger ones calibrate to an L5, and fleet fights like the recent Fed-Republic brawl...?

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Ollie Rundle
#17 - 2013-05-15 12:23:52 UTC
Or maybe just being involved in something that lets you play a part in the story of EVE could be reward enough.
Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
The Fourth District
#18 - 2013-05-15 14:57:11 UTC
How about if some of the rare player ships started to show up more frequently as actor ships? For example, if a high level Amarrian and his/her personal squadron are in space, they might be flying Apocalypse Imperial Issues for the event.

This provides the opportunity for these ships to be seen in space (as part of the event), but does not displace the value of the ships that made there way into the capsuleer market.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#19 - 2013-05-15 16:51:20 UTC
If nothing else, I'd quite like to see them used by actors in events.

After we once had to escort an Impoc to Amarr, maybe at some point we'll get a chance to escort it back out again.

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#20 - 2013-05-15 21:46:47 UTC
Except then Goons show up just to suicide gank the shiny ship. And there is no way to stop a suicide gank other than 'don't be there'.
Which means if the Devs aren't there because they are speed warping/cyno'ing/etc we don't get to see the event.
For proof of Goons gank, I refer you to the Tribal Council live event with Tempest Tribal Issues.
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