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CCP Focuses on EVE Universe - A CCP Announcement

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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#541 - 2011-10-20 12:03:56 UTC
#1Posted: 2011.10.20 00:57 | Report
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I'm at a loss to understand how you could back-stab the very people that kept your main cash source going all the years you were allocating resources to OTHER projects and neglecting EvE.

The community team Kept you rolling in cash all the years you ignored many issues in the game. And gave use nothing substantial content wise.

The PR damn that they built was broken not by them but by the atrocity that was the nex store and INCARCERATIONS one room. And Hilmars fat ego put on parade for all to see like the emperor with new cloths that it was.

And even then they were slowly rebuilding CCPs REP. Only for CCP to take them out back and shoot them for their efforts.

Im just at a loss for how you can make so many bad decisions one after another and take it out on the very people that kept those bad decisions from causing major damage.

Incarceration was just too big a flop for them to be able to manage. But that's not their fault. It was like asking them to stop a tidal wave with an umbrella.

We can understand the layoff of devs on WOD. But the very communication team we depend on? When you just said you would try to communicate with us more? Take the people we have built a relationship with over years and **** can them? Are you now going to try to replace them with someone we have no relationship with?

Its like the world is upside down and inside out on Iceland.

Bad form CCP. Bad form indeed.

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Cedar Locus
Fleet 2 die
#542 - 2011-10-20 12:10:55 UTC
the one named helmar, fire him
Smertrios
House of Jaga
#543 - 2011-10-20 12:11:32 UTC
BULLSHIT

That whole announcement reeks of it.

You don't fire 1/5 of your staff unless there is a serious problem, we are not dumb and you are lying to us again.

Have we not been through this already? Honesty breeds trust and support. Blatant lying breed rage and failure.

However this time you have really screwed up bad!
The people that gave a crap and worked their asses of to damage control the constant stream of bullshit you feed us... you just fired!

Hell you even fired the guy organizing Fanfest!
Maybe we will do our own now for all the people who have bought plane tickets already but don't want to go now because you just fired all the people that they cared about!

Face Palm!


Failure on this level is hard to comprehend!
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#544 - 2011-10-20 12:19:37 UTC  |  Edited by: RougeOperator
And they LOCKED the threads voicing discontent saying they all should be in one thread. Fascism seems too be the new way of communication with the players.

Some of those threads were talking about very different aspects of this.

They are forcing discussion into one thread to keep people from talking about what just happened.

Baloney CCP.

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Bratwurst0r
DARK ORCHESTRA
#545 - 2011-10-20 12:21:45 UTC
So, do we have the names of the unlucky 20% already?

I know a few where named, but 10 of 106 is not the full picture.
Subrahmaya Chandrasekhar
#546 - 2011-10-20 12:26:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Subrahmaya Chandrasekhar
1) Not sure how the statement that the company is stretched too thin equates to stretching things thinner with layoffs.

2) Why not sell the WOD part of the business. A far better move IMO.

3) Dust should NOT be developed for the playstation, period. If you want DUST, build it for the PC and add it to EVE.

4) FOCUS FOCUS FOCUS.

- ONE GAME with ALL your dreams incorporated into it. It can be done, and you are the ones who can do it.
meatsaw
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#547 - 2011-10-20 12:52:01 UTC
Miilla wrote:
20% of overweight overpaid people fired.

My pet rock's heart is bleeding.



How long did it take you to think up this brain damage post?

You need to go back to Rens and keep working on those "fitted" Hulk contracts.
Galies
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#548 - 2011-10-20 12:52:34 UTC
Yes, lock all other threads, and the dont say anything to us in more than 10 pages. I can understand CCP doesnt want to read a lot of rage posts, but some of are trying to remain calm and be civil hoping for a response. Come on CCP, please dont let us down, keep us in the loop.
Vai Tanis
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#549 - 2011-10-20 12:57:38 UTC
Very sad for those who've lost their jobs, but this was as inevitable as the dawn. A small company trying to develop three MMO games with only the revenue from a relatively small niche game like Eve to keep them afloat was always going to fail, as the lack of investment in Eve led to a lack of the subscriber growth numbers necessary to keep the whole thing afloat.

Hopefully this reorganisation will save the company in the long term and keep everyone elses jobs secure. If Sony soaks any losses from Dust and Eve returns to strength, maybe WoD can start up again in the future with a stable foundation.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#550 - 2011-10-20 13:04:25 UTC
Galies wrote:
Yes, lock all other threads, and the dont say anything to us in more than 10 pages. I can understand CCP doesnt want to read a lot of rage posts, but some of are trying to remain calm and be civil hoping for a response. Come on CCP, please dont let us down, keep us in the loop.



This just makes CCP seem even MORE out of touch with the players.

Many of the threads that were locked should not have been. They are just trying to crush the players complaints.

The putting it all in one thread is done to water down discussion and make it possible to drown out good points. Forcing them into a thread-naught makes it easier to ignore them since people wont want to read 40 pages to find the good points that might have been topic starters.

We arnt stupid CCP. trollish at times yes. but not actually stupid as a player base.

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T'Laar Bok
#551 - 2011-10-20 13:10:42 UTC
Not enough cynicism in this thread.

I'd say the refocusing was 99% driven by investors and 1% by customers.

Amphetimines are your friend.

http://eveboard.com/pilot/T'Laar_Bok
Malena
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#552 - 2011-10-20 13:17:15 UTC
Asinine.

Utterly asinine.

You admit that the leadership is the problem, you admit that you alienated your player base and your community. Then you fire 2/3 of the community team that are one of the main reasons people stayed in it this long? INCLUDING YOUR COMMUNITY DIRECTOR?!?! The oldsters amongst us know and love the Pann, and then..poof...gone. Just as bad as a wall street a-hole making a fortune off a company going under.

I was loyal to a fault. Even through all the bs, then you started to get me back to rabid fan with your acknowledgment of the issues..but now I am seriously considering cutting off all my accounts. Why should I stay with a company that says it is going to start doing the right things and re-engage the player base, then cuts off 2/3 of the ability to do so? (community team went from 14 to 5)

Helmar, what that says to me is that you don't really think you are the problem, you think the people on the community team-WHO HAD NO CONTROL OVER THE ACTUAL GAME CONTENT-are the problem.

Wow. Just wow.
Aynen
Federal Guard and Recon Corporation
#553 - 2011-10-20 13:18:46 UTC
When the innitial statement came from the CEO that he was apologising, for me it came a bit out of the blue. And now with this follow-up I'm wondering how deep that rabbit hole goes. My sympathies go out to CCP, regardless of what mistakes where made, this is a very bitter pill to swallow for everyone, and I respect that fact.

The article mentions that subcriptions have been going down due to 'our own mistakes and poor communication with our players'. While I can certainly see that CCP is now being exeptionally transparent about what goes on internally, I do feel that it's positive perspectives that'll turn the tide, not so much talk of mistakes that where made, although I do apreciate such honesty.
With positive perspectives I mean plenty of talk about upcoming features and changes, which is essentially what keeps us dreaming and playing and plotting and scheming.
Too much confessing and talking of what went wrong might actually have the opposite effect.
Positive feedback is key, not just to the players, but to CCP staff just the same.

So I look forward to what CCP thinks of next, and how they seek to implement it, because that keeps me coming back.
I hope the joy of game making isn't lost under much bad news and hardships, so make spaceships :)

-Aynen
Ayita
Antrix Industries
#554 - 2011-10-20 13:22:21 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:

Sorry to the employees laid off from the WOD team in the states (particularly in this economic climate) but I do believe its a neccessary step and vital to ensure CCP has the resources to concentrate on and renew Eve Online as its core game. This announcement is almost more significant than the Hilmar apology to signalling a full return to priority focus on Eve Online.

Follow it up by announcing plans to ditch the NeX store and provide all In Space AND Incarna content through traditional sandbox economics rather than MT money-grubbing and I will be fully satisfied and celebrate by resubbing for a year on my account.




"Sandbox Economics" well put! I'm sure the Plex is giving CCP plenty of extra income. Hell the $199 bulk plex sale proves that.

CCP Refocus on the Goal and we all will be here. Our account sub's will show you our votes.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#555 - 2011-10-20 13:35:50 UTC  |  Edited by: RougeOperator
My accounts time will run out.

The only way to get me to put my money back into EvE is if they let go of Hilmar. There are more then a few that think this way now. His apology felt like a PR stunt to me. This latest gambit shows that it was just that in my opinion. Empty words.

They are focusing on EvE after crapping all over it for years. Not because its the right thing to do, but because it became necessity.

If they hadn't paid the core product lip service they would not be in this position to begin with. Its clear they have a bad leader. To get the company on the right track said person needs to go.

Honestly he should have stepped down when you put the letter out.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#556 - 2011-10-20 13:44:53 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Well, I can't believe what I've seen here today. This is surely a day of infamy, a dark period of uncertainty in the otherwise bright life of Eve-Online.

I read the original post containing the new Dev Blog from CCP pertaining to the severe cut backs of CCP's work force while also reassuring us that Eve is healthy and gaining more attention to fixes and expansion developments. I also read every posted reply in this thread. Over 550 different posts in 28 pages. This 'Good news and bad news all rolled into one' Dev Blog is a very hard pill to swallow..

Bitter sweet to say the least.

Most of the posted replies in this thread are filled with sincere dismay and sad disbelief due to the contents of the Dev Blog. Some replies were filled with joy and righteous indignation. Others posted offers of help and sympathy. A lot of the replies expressed grave concern and fear for the future of Eve. As I read through the different posted replies, I could see that the majority of the Eve Community was trying to express feelings of concern, outrage, joy and sorrow. I felt my heart being tugged on more than once, each time almost bringing a tear to my eye.

I now find myself worrying and wondering if this wonderful game I love so much will soon be nothing more than a fond memory. At least I'll be able to say 'Yeah, Eve was real and I was there'.

I wanted to quote so many replies that I decided to just link the main ones I feel conveyed the overall feelings of the Eve Community. Sorry for the wall of links. I'd add more but I've reached the text limit.

DMC

#9

#17 and #18

#28 and #29

#46

#53, #54 and #55

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#65

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#88

#108 and #109

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#122 and #123

#131 and #132

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#145, #146 and #147

#151, #152, #153 and #154

#162, #163 and #164

#171, #172 and #173

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#198, #199 and #200

#203 and #204

#215, #216, #217, #218 and #219

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#256 and #257

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#333 and #334

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#395 and #396

#423

#509 and #510

#536

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#557 - 2011-10-20 13:49:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
I said in the other thread on this topic that there are usually more creative options then having to lay people off.

Someone mentioned a flat cut across the board for all employees.

Someone responded that upper management may have already done that. Unfortunately there is no confirmation from CCP on this assumption.

I will not go into other said hypothetical areas of reduction but I am sure they are there and I will also ASSUME at this point that they have not been targeted and looked at as it would have been smart to list those as areas that have been cut so as to avert bad PR back lash.......... oh wait Ugh


Slade
Bratwurst0r
DARK ORCHESTRA
#558 - 2011-10-20 13:52:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Bratwurst0r
Malena wrote:

You admit that the leadership is the problem, you admit that you alienated your player base and your community. Then you fire 2/3 of the community team that are one of the main reasons people stayed in it this long? INCLUDING YOUR COMMUNITY DIRECTOR?!?! The oldsters amongst us know and love the Pann, and then..poof...gone. Just as bad as a wall street a-hole making a fortune off a company going under.


Sry buddy but you DO KNOW that Pann made the call NOT TO ANSWER the first threadnought and thus started if off badly, did the hilarious presentation about community management 1 day before hell broke loose and showed how NOT do to it right after.

If anyone should have expected consequences, its her. Not that i wish unemployment for anyone, really. But she failed pretty damn hard in containing the riots, it was more like pouring gasoline in it.

P.S. and lets not forget, her first apology post, where she failed AGAIN to even notice the MAIN ISSUE. If the community manager is so far out of contact, its time for a change.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#559 - 2011-10-20 13:56:14 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
I said in the other thread on this topic that there are usually more creative options then having to lay people off.

Someone mentioned a flat cut across the board for all employees.

Someone responded that upper management may have already done that. Unfortunately there is no confirmation from CCP on this assumption.

I will not go into other said hypothetical areas of reduction but I am sure they are there and I will also ASSUME at this point that they have not been targeted and looked at as it would have been smart to list those as areas that have been cut so as to avert bad PR back lash.......... oh wait Ugh


Slade



What I want to know is why a man, Hilmar, that the community finds polarizing and many dislike so much is still at the helm. They cannot be this deaf to the players in CCP upper management. Unless those claims of them being tight and downright incestuous that nepotism trumps what is best for the company is true.

The again the past examples of how they handle employee scandalous situations speaks volumes.

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Caiden Baxter
You're a Pirate
#560 - 2011-10-20 13:56:49 UTC
Great just ******* great, as usual the common man gets cut when managment screws up. Evil

Soon™