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CCP Focuses on EVE Universe - A CCP Announcement

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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#581 - 2011-10-20 18:51:04 UTC
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
Pak Narhoo wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
And they LOCKED the threads voicing discontent saying they all should be in one thread. Fascism seems too be the new way of communication with the players.

Some of those threads were talking about very different aspects of this.

They are forcing discussion into one thread to keep people from talking about what just happened.

Baloney CCP.


You need to realize that as of now there are only a few moderators around.
Those who survived this round do have other functions to tend to then just monitoring, way too many forum topics.
Putting all related stuff into one thread is the logical thing to do.

Having had modern forum software all they had to do was check some checkboxes and *merge* one topic into another would had been even better. But hey, no need to talk here about how great these new forums are not.





an dude, not the above but rogueoperator
are you being serious that "this new wave of thread closings pointing to one thread" is the FIRST time youve seen this come from CCP?
These guys are pretty much renowned for draconian forum tactics lol


This may be the first time some players have run into it. But I'm also highlighting its stupidity right after we were promised more open communication.

And pointing out that they did not mean a thing they said. And that hilmars apology is just more lip service and he never meant it.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **

Luckdragon82
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#582 - 2011-10-20 19:12:52 UTC
If CCP wishes to move forward with DUST, then they need to understand that not everybody has a PS3. True vision would have them build for the 360 and maybe even develop a way to play EVE as we know it on the consoles. Also, stop being so proprietary with the ships. Gallente ships always seem to be one-up'ed by everything else, especially the weapons. And make the TITANs [email protected]$$ again. Firing people may actually hurt the game. It would also be nice if MORE epic campaigns were made. I thought when I finished the Gallente epic mission, there'd be more, but there wasn't.
Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
#583 - 2011-10-20 19:40:27 UTC
I have not read this thread and I am not going to either.

Just to throw my 5 cents:

Tactics went wrong (leeching resources from the one paying pool of customers to fond other ambitios projects).

Things get set straight (From a business perspective) where the original river og milk and honney gets strengthened out and continued to be developed further while some other ambitious project gets put on hold.


Some people got layed off and the echonomy isn't all that great for the time being.... The people left should be thankfull for the fact that CCP actually takes responsibility and tries to survive by reverting to know successfull tactics instead of pushing it further and face certain doom where all loose their jobs and we loose this game.

To the whining part of the community: G.T.F.O. (Socialism and whining bastards will be the end of us all!)

To the sad part of CCP staff: H.T.F.U. (Those departed: U got skills, no problem. U got no skills, you didn't belong in CCP in the first place / Those remaining: Thank god you management have the balls to save your company and this game by making hard and unpopular desicions.)

TLDR: I am glad we are still going to have a game called Eve. Screw the rest.
Slippery Duke
Legion of Korriban
#584 - 2011-10-20 19:57:21 UTC
It's a shame to hear that people are being fired, but it happens everywhere. Imho DOW and Dust really need to be put well onto the back burner, and ccp should refocus on EvE.
A year of in-attention has proven this to detrimental effects i would say back burner dust(and also make it pc compatible for us eve jiunkies) to and re-focus wholly on EvE and make it the greatest game again.
Z'Pax
Lamorei Prosapia Vexillum
#585 - 2011-10-20 20:13:32 UTC
Multiple angled statement ahead What?

I don't understand why people are so shocked and surprised about staff from the community relations team being on the chopping block.

It was after all a community backlash that caused all this.
Something that is there job to see and help/influence/interpret, that they failed right?

And the backlash was over the NeX content and CQ, both of which are predominantly from the carbon WoD teams.. and what a shock they have been chopped too.

That at least is my hope, that those who ARE responsible for the whole thing are the ones being axed, but my brain tells me that's probably not the case.

But another perspective.

Me and my accounts left EVE long before all the NeX protests, a year and a half ago.
And after coming back to try it all again (yup would of been sooner but NeX had an impact on me returning), I have been utterly underwhelmed by the changes.
This game is principally one of flying ships around, and in that 18 months whats new on that front?
A few salvaging ships woopy f'in doo.
Seriously I think CCP should look at that reason for why it all went **** up.
In that time you haven't done anything of significance to improve the basic content of the game, that of flying spaceships.
Of course people will eventually be up in arms about something.

For those fired, good luck.
If you were good at your job and lost it anyway deep sympathy.
If not.. well meh.

tl/dr Good people loosing jobs bad, bad people loosing jobs great. Now get on with some more spaceship content CCP its what your cash cow is all about.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#586 - 2011-10-20 20:15:17 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:


This may be the first time some players have run into it. But I'm also highlighting its stupidity right after we were promised more open communication.

And pointing out that they did not mean a thing they said. And that hilmars apology is just more lip service and he never meant it.


Yeah cause I (and others) havent been saying that in damn near EVERY THREAD where ppl were like "OMG YAY HILMAR IS GOD WE LOVE CCP"

and telling them "I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say".

Yet we got the "they apologized what more do you want" or "some people cant be satisfied and will never be happy"

lol

This is my "I told you so"

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes

Kazini Jax
Starlight Operations
#587 - 2011-10-20 20:28:02 UTC
How typical. Upper managent screws up and the lowers have to pay. Hey, Hilmar. Where is your loss? What are you giving up? Disgusting!

And what's-yer-face above that commented on Socialism = bad. STFU. Every single society, by definition, is a form of Socialism. It's not a question of "Do we want socialism?" it is a question of "How much Socialism do we want?" I am so sick of The Stupid.
Slippery Duke
Legion of Korriban
#588 - 2011-10-20 20:35:43 UTC
Kazini Jax wrote:
How typical. Upper managent screws up and the lowers have to pay. Hey, Hilmar. Where is your loss? What are you giving up? Disgusting!


This is a bad case of the underlings and us the paying players pay for the mis-deeds of the few. A most unfortunate circumstance but this was on the cards maybe as far back as the end of 2009 many saw it coming myself amongst them.
Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#589 - 2011-10-20 20:38:40 UTC
Reprinted from my blog, which I would link to, except the forums generate a BBCODE parse error if you have a url tag + a percent sign anywhere in the post. Roll

The 20%, the 79%, and the 1%

By now everyone will have heard the news that CCP is slashing their staff by about 20%.

First of all, I want to express my condolences to the 20%, many of whom are going through the roughest time in their professional careers. Some of them I knew personally, and they will be missed.

Second, I want to express my sympathies towards the 79%, the remaining staff who, in the coming months, either implicitly or explicitly, are going to be pressured to work longer and harder to help CCP recover from the consequences of disastrous strategic decisions that they had little or no voice in.

And finally, I have a few questions for the 1%, the top staff at CCP who made those decisions.

* Have you really accepted that this is your fault, or do you still cling to the illusion that this is the fault of "pesky" players who just don't understand your awesome vision, and who should feel honored to be permitted to pay you to implement it?

* Are you really sincere about this change of direction by CCP, or do you consider the refocusing on EVE just a temporary bump in the road?

* Have any of you accepted responsibility, either by resigning, accepting demotion, or taking a pay cut?

I wonder what the chances are that any of the above questions can be answered by a "yes"?

20%...? 79%...? or 1%...?

Private Citizen • CSM in recovery

Slippery Duke
Legion of Korriban
#590 - 2011-10-20 20:42:34 UTC
Trebor if you get a straight answer to those great set of questions, i wil leat my minmatar teddy bear. On a serious note do the DEvs and CEO have the Balls to give us a straight answer! Good to see a member of the CSM saying there piece.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#591 - 2011-10-20 20:42:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Kengutsi Akira
lol I cant link to the forums here cause "posts cannot contain html" even though its a copy/pasted link to another thread in General.... good job web team.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=220213#post220213

this thread annoys me because its more of those people that swallow what CCP is saying to us when its their actions we should be watching not our words. One thing I damn sure learned from Hilmar.

Holy ****, it only took me 4 tries to get that link to post

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes

Slippery Duke
Legion of Korriban
#592 - 2011-10-20 20:55:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Slippery Duke
What we need is a honest and open thread from Hilmar, basically for people to ask him questions regarding the changes and whats went wrong.
Him and the various other senior management can answer these questions in a honest open fashion. I know its asking a lot but at this point the community need to see that the guy(s) in charge know there arse from his elbow so to speak.
We as a community at this point are beyond disgruntled in fact i dont think even gruntled covers itAttention
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#593 - 2011-10-20 20:57:11 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
My sympathies go out to those affected by the job losses - I hope that you all get things sorted out quickly.


+1
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#594 - 2011-10-20 20:57:28 UTC
Slippery Duke wrote:
What we need is a honest and open thread from Hilmar, basically for people to ask him questions regarding the changes and whats went wrong.
Him and the various other senior management can answer these questions in a honest open fashion. I know its asking a lot but at this point he community need to see that the guy(s) in charge know there arse from his elbow so to speak.
We as a community at this point are beyond disgruntled in fact i dont think even gruntled covers itAttention


I dont think at this point we need more words.
They just need to stop with the sunshine blowing up our collective asses and start putting that time into rolling things out.

Actions. Not words. Ive seen enough words from these guys to last me a lifetime

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#595 - 2011-10-20 20:58:06 UTC
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
lol I cant link to the forums here cause "posts cannot contain html" even though its a copy/pasted link to another thread in General.... good job web team.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=220213#post220213

this thread annoys me because its more of those people that swallow what CCP is saying to us when its their actions we should be watching not our words. One thing I damn sure learned from Hilmar.

Holy ****, it only took me 4 tries to get that link to post


Yeah, there seems to be a lot of forum issues today.

We don't always see eye to eye, but I generally agree with your point in that thread.

However, I also understand that there isn't a whole lot they can actually "do" (as in give to us) until the next expansion... other than the silly ship spinning thing so many people got worked up about.

As to the rest, you know where I stand.

I think CCP did a horrible job with this whole situatiion... including their selections for termination.

On the other hand, I think the EVE community handled their reaction to things pretty poorly as well. The phrases "over reaction", "immaturity", and "easily manipulated" come to mind.

Still, it is what it is. We'll see what gets followed through on in this next release, if I can stomach the "back patting" from the community... the chopping of heads at CCP to keep their heads above water... and the victory rolls from the forum trolls long enough to get there.

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Slippery Duke
Legion of Korriban
#596 - 2011-10-20 21:00:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Slippery Duke
I dont think at this point we need more words.
They just need to stop with the sunshine blowing up our collective asses and start putting that time into rolling things out.

Actions. Not words. Ive seen enough words from these guys to last me a lifetime


I agree with you 100% on this time for to ccp to put up or nut up.
Vipieris
Fraternal Order of Raddei
#597 - 2011-10-20 23:06:07 UTC
I only have one question, and maybe someone else asked it already (but 30 pages - come on... I have a job after all!)

If your resources are stretched too thin, then why did you just let 20% of them go while not reducing the number of active projects?

As a Project Controls Analyst for an EPC firm, this not only doesn't make any sense, but doesn't bode well for ANY of those ongoing projects.

When project demand has exceeded the maximum available output from your productive resources, you either reduce demand, or increase resources. You've decreased resources, while basically saying, "We're still going to keep working on everything" and "we'll be able to do things quicker."

How do ya figure?? I'd tend to suggest at this point that you, as well as your customers, are screwed. And I get big bucks to reach those kinds of conclusions...

If you need some professional project management assistance, let me know - though I'm not exactly sure you're a viable company to work for at this point...

Don't worry - I'll keep paying my memberships as long as there's still a game to play. :)

Vipieris
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#598 - 2011-10-20 23:09:47 UTC
they effectively killed not only White Wolf but the WoD project.

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes

zcar300
SERCO Group
#599 - 2011-10-20 23:09:58 UTC
So your cutting people and continuing all development because you"re stretched too thin? I realize you're slowing development on one front but how does that even make sense? Is this a Jita scam? Blink

What you need to do is reduce your expansion schedule to one a year. Instead of releasing content that isn't finished and that breaks the continuity of the game. Like having Minmatar CQs in Amarr, caldari, and Gallente stations.
Slippery Duke
Legion of Korriban
#600 - 2011-10-20 23:19:30 UTC
zcar300 wrote:
So your cutting people and continuing all development because you"re stretched too thin? I realize you're slowing development on one front but how does that even make sense? Is this a Jita scam? Blink

What you need to do is reduce your expansion schedule to one a year. Instead of releasing content that isn't finished and that breaks the continuity of the game. Like having Minmatar CQs in Amarr, caldari, and Gallente stations.


To me feels liek ultimate damage control or oh frak we screwed up, the thing is they need to focus on one project get it sorted and then take it from there bad case of over extending yourself by a wide margin.