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Hi-sec CONCORD 5% import fees / 10% export fees:

P0 - 0.25 / 0.50 ISK/u
P1 - 25.00 / 50.00 ISK/u
P2 - 450 / 900 / ISK/u
P3 - 3500 / 7000 ISK/u
P4 - 67500 / 135000 ISK/u

Or see:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/CustomsOffice

Your calculation sounds about right though. Just make sure to raise your prices 50-85 ISK on P1 products that you sell on the market and you'll be fine.

Yeah, the naysayers can say whatever they want. If it generates a kill mail, there is always someone willing to shoot it down.

Probably, but noone will reapair them...

I hate this idea.

People with no interest in PI production will just attack these customs offices for the hell of it. So, to have any chance now of participating in low sec PI i have to join a huge corp that can defend them. What about the little guy?

I am now to be relegated to high sec (poor planet) PI because i am not in a large corp.

You wanted PI to be a big part of the game and many of us solo / small corp players embraced it and have assumed the risk of operating in low sec with covert transports etc but now we are gonna be thrown out.

Again, biggest problem I see here is people with no interest in PI just messing with it for jollies.

I love the expansion in general but this idea sucks.

o/

well - let's calm down a bit.

what is at stake is not pi in high-sec. those changes simply lead to higher pi-product prices. so income from pi wont change i guess. what will be affected are the costs to maintain a station which will then affect t2 production, capital parts production and the like.

i guess changing the prices to export was simply needed to make setting up pocos profitable. i agree that 0.o sec alliances should be rewarded for doing what they do. it is much more risky. so it should pay out. with margins of like 45k iskies noone would have bothered to set pocos up. the way it is now will make them reconsider...

so in generall i agree with the changes to 0.o and highsec.

what should be adressed (dirly) is the way to export stuff from a planet where there is no poco. dont expect small alliances to put one up themselves. as those affore mentioned raids will...


so my adjustment ideas would be:

1. limit the tax rate in empire lowsec to 20% - 25%

AND


2. when a poco is not rebuild within 20 hours a new one is set up (i.e a interbus one)

or

2. make planetary launches possible via the spaceport

or

2. make the storage capacity bigger in the command center


AND: make launches/export possible if not in solar system. well i assume it is just a bug, but one never knows...

They have 2.5m more hp to kill than POCOs (because of the reinforcement mechanics), and you have to do it all in one sitting


With the "transfer ownership" mechanic, the holding corp doesn't even have to set foot in the wormhole. You lose attack notifications, but in a wormhole, you'll usually find out inmediately anyway.

The short answer:

If hi-sec tariffs hadn't been raised then lo-sec POCOs would not be economically viable. Unable to compete against the hi-sec tariffs. If POCOs aren't economically viable, then people would be crying here about someone blowing up their lo-sec NPC CO and nobody can afford to put one back up. If the NPC CO tariffs in lo-sec weren't high, then users wouldn't bother to take them down prematurely and put new ones up in order to save on tariffs and line their own pockets.

Personally, I argued that CCP needed to give us 3 different sizes, 30M/60M/120M versions, just like POS towers, and to give them defenses just like POS towers. Maybe with only 2/3 the PG and 1/4 the CPU of a regular POS tower in exchange for a much lower fuel use. On the other hand, you can apparently anchor these in or near a POS tower for defense. If they had given us 3 different sizes, then we could have chosen the level of POCO that we wished to deploy.

I'd like to see the material costs for the POCOs lowered - if they only required about 1/2 of the current materials, they would be far more in line with their limited functionality (which is more akin to a POS lab which are 50-80M ISK, not 150-200M).

And the way around the hi-sec tariff is to do more steps on the same planet. Setting up a planet that imports P1 and exports P3 is not hard. You can also setup P2->P4 planets, which might be more profitable then P3->P4.

From the dev blog:
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=2899

" The Customs Office Gantry itself is a 9600 m3 compact structure that is manufactured in assembly lines in stations (for exact materials, see the Material Shopping List) and must be anchored no further than 100,000 km from the planet."

I just tried to anchor a Gantry 86,000 km from a planet, and got a message saying it can't be anchored more than 5,666 km from the planet. I suppose, technically, it is true that it "must be anchored no further than 100,000 km from the planet." But that statement is, at best, highly misleading.

Also, there's a known bug with Amarr outposts.


"The taxes you paid before can be translated into this new system, and that would equal 5% tax in a player owned customs office. So, if you set the tax to 5% you will pay the exact same as before." (boldface emphasis is mine).

So changing it by a factor of 100x apparently qualifies as "the exact same." In the way that 10 is exactly the same as 1,000.


Note that neither of these "facts" was amended, clarified, or changed in the follow-up dev blog here:
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3075

Seems CCP is not monitoring this thread in any meaningful way, otherwise they would have canned this really bad idea before now.

As I understood it PI was originally introduced as a new facet of enterprise that players could if they wished engage in, and oddly in spite of it's awful original format a lot did and till this latest patch continued to do so.

Removal of the original CO's has utterly destroyed this free enterprise ideal in favour of another of these half baked leverage ideas of CCP that making them PoS will in some way force players to engage in PvP, along the same vein as the removal of multiple Jump Bridges from systems.

That idea in it's self highlighted the failure of CCP to understand it's player base or indeed the game EVE at all, odd as they claim to have created it.

So maybe I can give them a pointer as to were to go look.

The Average player in EVE does not once past the initial stages instantly blossom into some rabid PvP killing machine, most in fact move into other areas quite quickly following a fairly fixed pattern using skills they acquired in that initial phase such as Industry/Missions/Manufacture ect.

In doing this they will due to the nature of the game invoke the risk of having to engage in PvP at some level, but considering the investment of time alone they have already expended in getting were they are this is something that expends there hard earned resources and ISK in a manner that detracts from there objectives, that of expanding there play in the field they have chosen for themselves and will be AVOIDED at all costs, hence the reason that only gate camping faggots gained from the Jump bridge nerf.

The results of this are that there play experience is diminished in value and they soon begin to feel that what they are doing is not worth the effort, considering that it may have taken them a long time to get that far only to have everything that they have worked for removed at a whim by CCP has only one end result in the long term, they move on from EVE.

It is quite obvious that this change has been aimed at Losec/0.0 alone to encourage conflict or add another aspect to system attacks during sov warfare, but in truth who is going to care about customs platforms except KM whores, PI has already almost died out as an occupation in these areas anyway except possibly for Plasma planets, almost all PoS fuel items are manufactured in Empire and shipped and this change will in my opinion just seal the fate of ex-empire PI totally.

Possibly CCP you might like to get a grasp of what actually makes players play EVE at all and factor that into your ideas process before expending time and effort on such ill thought out changes to the game and for now until you have matured in your thought process put this idea on the back burner.

There is a way to make PI mean something across EVE, but it it not this.

WE NEED A WAY TO CHANGE THE TARGET WALLET FOR PI TAX INCOME !!!!