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so these custom offices will be fairly easy prey to anyone that wants to knock one down. i think someone mentioned it would take a harbinger a little over 4 hours to reinforce one solo. not sure it that is correct, but based on my rough calculation at 500 dps, that sounds right.

why not allow customs offices to function more like outposts? have construction occur once, then any subsequent takeover activity will transfer control of the office but not destroy the structure. that way the initial investment doesn't go out the window every time someone wants to take it over. and those on the planet could still use the office even if they didn't control it anymore.

having to replace the office every time it is contested will be extremely costly given the slow payback on the initial capital investment.

Fortunately, the same ill informed opinions are being regurgetated and shot down repeatedly, so I am up to speed now thanks.

1: I am well aware of the profitability of high, low, and null sec PI and have worked it to various degree's in all three environments for some time now. If you can't make a decent return on the minute amount of time necessary to maintain a PI chain, even in high sec, you are doing it wrong. It's about as close to being "passive income" as it gets, and with the ability to set taxes on planets that others will be using it gets closer still.

2: You will always run into players that value tears over good business sense. The opposite is also true. Just as null sec alliances rent space to those less powerful than themselves for a profit, so too will people set up PCO's that have reasonable tax rates for people to use. People that do not have the ISK or the desire to defend them if necessary. You can set up as many PCO's as you like, use some of them to enhance your own PI profit margin, and gain passive revenue from the rest.

3: Ninja PI teams use launches all of the time in dangerous space. Granted, CCP should probably look at increasing the payload.

4: As long as your taxes aren't out of line, why would most people care to go to the trouble. There are huge numbers of players that are not in a corp, or are in small corps that would love to use someone's PCO without risk, the hassel, or outlandish fee's. Sure, a larger corp could blow it up, but you risk that with anything in EVE. You DO realize just how many 10's of thousands of planets there are in EVE right?

So yeah, I didn't miss much. Just a lot of fear mongering, far fetched what if's about large alliances spending huge amounts of time policing 10's of thousands of planets to ensure a very modest return , and a lot of opinions from people who either didin't read or didin't understand the dev blog... or no nothing about PI or the EVE economy yet feel the need to voice an opinion.

This is EvE. If they aren't being paid, you aren't getting laid... and it's more profitable to keep your ho's working hard and take your percentage than it is to blow up the cat house.

Time to revisit the viceroy idea perhaps

Umm can I ask a small question here?

I can see how all this works/not works (depends on your point of view) in Empire, Low Sec and 0.0 but how will this work in NPC 0.0, you know like, Syndicate, Outer Ring etc?

The return of Spinning and a new destroyable object in the same day, I .... I think ........ I LOVE YOU


Regarding the Tax/Tariff rate. Is it possible to set the tax as a % of the actual resource/item imported/exported instead of some semi-arbitrary isk value ? This would to a certain degree guarantee that the future Governors were actually interested in PI and not just isk whore's.

From what's been quoted the HP values seem reasonable. A 10 man bs gang would be able to re-enforce and then kill a CO in a reasonable period of time if the owner isn't interested in defending it. The comments about bored cap and super pilots need to be addressed elsewhere IMO.

As for guns I'd have to say no. It should still be possible to gank someone at a customs house in a frig. Add guns and now you need a bc or bigger survive with little to no chance of getting a lock in time. If you don't want it to die fight for it. If you don't want to fight for it don't drop one. Simple.

I don't live in Null so my opinion count's for alot less but I'd suggest letting it be a total free for all like it should be. If someone's crazy enough to suicide drop a CO in hostile space let them.

Personally I do all my PI in low sec. As of 2 hours after DT today I've already met the person who'll most likely be the future Governor of my main system. He's indicated he'll probably stick to the existing 5% tax. I've already volunteered to help with defense if needed. Better him than some greedy person says I. For those of you who seem to believe that you're gonna get the shaft the Mercenary channel is full of people who are bored and looking for something to do. 300 mil divided by you and 9 other disgruntled people is peanuts. The merc's don't even need to destroy the CO just reinforce it and anchor a can named " Lower the Tax or We'll be Back ''. Message sent. Good Governors wont have problems getting volunteers to back them up, and bad one's had better get used to repping alot.

Props to Omen and all your crew.

Uh, no. They're 3000 LP for FW. I can make more than that with one trip in a T1 frig doing L1 militia missions.

Omen...nobody in Wspace will operate for neutrals. The idea that people won't shoot PI runners same as before in hopes of some tiny profit is naive





lawl this makes it better in wspace. Now it's free so idk what you're whining about. Before this, you can still "severely restrict" access by sticking a CC down and nuking all the resources on the planet if you want. Or you can gank the hauler. Or any number of other things.

Wspace is lawless so thinking you will have full access to any system you come across is a bit ignorant

Of all the things that need to be done to PI this is not it.

Leave High sec and wormholes alone and make customs offices become taxable to the alliance that owns the system.


But before all of that, how about we get the option to select all our factory's at once and set them?

why dont we have drop down box for the link upgrade we want?

Why is there a session timer on PI?


Pos fuel is already high, this will only make it even more so as most small and medium sized gangs will just cruise around blowing them up

Leave it be and make PI on the planet less ********

I am typically a big fan of changes that increase player interaction and risk. I like the idea of where this change is going. I don't profess to know with certainty the results of the change, but I think that my own PI will be drastically and negatively affected.

I primarily produce P2 products, though I do have one planet producing P3 products. I do PI in low-sec where there aren't a lot of other residents. I expect that if I don't put up a customs office of my own, none will exist. While I have the capability to do this, it's a fairly big investment for the risk I'm undertaking. I live near null-sec and there are a few big alliances nearby; at least one is a very notable alliance with a large supercap fleet and reputation for using them for everything except sov warfare. Never underestimate the will of players to do something just to ruin another player's day -- especially if that player is a combat pilot and the other player is an industrialist or a "carebear".

I don't think the planets I use are housing facilities for any other players; I used the "see structures from other players" feature to see who else might be there, and no new structures appear -- but I kind of figured it was just broken. So there is really very little benefit to offset the risk as nobody will be paying me anything.

I can't find enough information on rocket launches to know if it's a viable alternative -- I see lots of references to a small capacity which suggests to me it's not.

Low-sec has always been a good place for small groups of industrialists who are good at evading criminals. It's been the half-way house between high-sec safety and null-sec politics. There are no warp disruption bubbles. There are gate guns and global criminal countdown timers. There are NPC stations. This change kind of drops low-sec PI into the deep end of risk with null-sec without offering any additional reward -- null-sec planets are better than low-sec planets.

I've seen it suggested in the thread already, but why couldn't CONCORD sponsor the low-sec customs offices (or perhaps the NPC faction which holds sovereignty in that space) with the same tax rate as high-sec until a player comes along to take over and build a customs office? Barring that, at least make rocket launches competitive with customs offices in high-sec in capability and rates.

Where is the justification for DOUBLE the damned taxes on Concord-run custom offices? Failing to see how that does anything but SHAFT folks that run PI and those that make stuff out of PI-made items and those that USE such items. PI return on time investment in highsec it ALREADY poor-to-marginal, why do you want to make it even worse?

Blueprint copy availability is WAY to damned restrictive. ANY NPC CORP should have them available in their LP store.

Oooo, space increase - like how do you manage to have to worry about running out of space in a customs office when your launchpad can only store 10K m3 max? THAT chance is no benefit at all and makes ZERO sense to even claim to be a benefit.


With the "you can kill them now" factor what idiot would LEAVE anything in one more than a few seconds while unloading stuff from / loading stuff to a planet?


This seems to be "YET ANOTHER NOT THOUGHT OUT" concept from CCP that just screws players for NO benefit.

I am now VERY happy I've been working my way OUT of doing PI due to the already poor ratio of "time investment vs. profit".



As far as that "minute amount of time" comment - you still have to go COLLECT the stuff and get it sold. The time investment is NOT minute, though I grant it's small - but the profits also are small. You also are failing to take the time investment of FINDING and SETUP for even a "marginal" planet to do PI on into account.