Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't think we'll get the Armageddon back in any form, though. It's so drastic a change -- I just don't see it going back to anything near to what it is.

That's how I suggest others do it. Myself? I'm a stubborn die hard, who only flew battleships if a) I was running level 4's in my Paly, or b) I brought a geddon to be an cheap ass.

Problem is, even with the changes, I'll still probably bring a geddon and just be more of an ass. I ain't gonna argue whether the ship will rip it up. I'm just arguing that I don't want it to change out of lasers.

But considering the removal of laser use bonuses, my geddon can still suck at using lasers just as much as it sucked at using lasers before ... only now with less dps.

Thank god for our battlecruisers.

See post #468 in the Large Energy Turret Thread.

My previous post listing the weapons was to show how Beam lasers of every class are virtually identical to rails except for tracking.
The Tachyon is the odd man out. I'll come back to that.
What I really want to address is whether or not CCP believes that a 50% tracking increase means 3x power usage.
Because in the end that is what it comes down to.

The Tachyon, if you read the table, is 1 step above the Megabeam and 425mm rail.
So I'm going to take on the argument all the way around.
Where is the Medium and Small tachyon weapons?
I keep hearing "Lasers do more damage". Umm no .. not from that table I put up they don't.
Better tracking, yes. Which may equate to better damage, but it's not a cut and dried damage modifier.
Which if you've been paying attention, the equivalent railguns actually have a higher damage mod.

So give me my medium and small Tachyons. Reduce beam power costs to double the equivalent rail and balance the Tachyon class weapons at 2.5 to 3x the rail cost.

Once THAT is in testing we can give you a better idea on the cap costs.
Because if your next endeavor is to strip the -10% cap per level off of all Amarr ships then we'll play this game 3-4 more times.

You cannot homogenize capacitors on all the ships and leave 1 race with guns that use 3x of another race.

Does the Guardian fit a full rack large reps, plate, prop., etc without fitting mods? No ship except for the few remaining broken ones, are (or should be) able to max performance without sacrifice in the form of fitting mods.

The whole idea, one that Amarr has in general lived with for years, is that to squeeze those last delicious drops out of the lemon one has to accept hand cramps .. the only problem in that respect is that there are some hulls (predominantly Minmatar) that require too little in the way of sacrifice to max performance, those are the ones you should be howling at.

I agree, few ships can use the dream-fit without going faction or meta4 (and its part of the game), but something its wrong when the actual Armageddon its a more effective neuting platform than the propossed one, right now you can fit a full rack of large neuts (8, one more than the new one) + 2 cap booters + microwarp + 142K hep with only 1 L ACC , of course you dont have the extra 13 km (which is a good bonus, although 25,2 km its not bad), but you have 15% more neut power (if you compare it to the new 7 large neut that doesn´t fit) and due the long cycle of large neuts you are more effective against enemy cap boosters or cap transfers, but hey I guess this ship its not a "fun one" used that way or as a cheap dps brawler, or mixed, its more fun when you have to use the ship as the devs have decided to, and nothing more.

And all this considering that the armageddon its the tier 1 bs, so it should be improved in some way to reach the level of the other ones.

BTW English its not my native language, so please forgive any possible mistakes

I like this, along a similar vein to what a lot of have been suggesting :) .

Prophecy -> Abaddon.
Also, there's just not enough space for drones in Apoc.

There's a rule that you don't do if you want your argument to be taken seriously. Don't threaten to quit. It seems the vast majority who threaten it never do, and since it's become such a cliche argument, it looks cheap.

It's like most people and suicide. Nothing but a call for help and attention. You may be completely legitimate and serious, but as an outside observer I neither believe you nor care, and I doubt CCP cares either.

CCP didn't buck after Incarna because people threatened to quit. They buckled because people quit. The one's who threatened were just making noise.

Quitting over losing a ship class? Meh, whatever floats your boat. I enjoy EvE more than just three ships, personally.

Only 20 "likes" to the OP with 97 pages of meaningful feedback and fitting suggestions to solve the PG and cap-use problems. Still no meaningful tweaks to the changes that are obviously ill-received (yes I'm counting the Large Energy Turret thread, we'll quickly see on Sisi it makes too little a difference...great now no BS can fire for more than 3 versus 2.5 minutes and still can't even fit Tachyons let alone fire them, wonderful).

I'm still waiting for CCP's answer to mission runners who are worse off after these changes. Please post CCP's suggested Level 4 mission fit that doesn't include Scorch and 2-3 cap modules that doesn't buffer tank. We would love to test it on Sisi and laugh/cry.

I'm not threatening. I'm making a statement in responce to specific offer.