Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Understand that before the "adjustment" made to lasers in the Large Energy Turret thread ... an Apocalypse with max fitting skills couldn't fit a full rack of Mega Beam lasers let alone Tachyons. That was the only reason they even bothered to change the fitting.

So to clarify .. every OTHER race could fit their guns and Amarr couldn't fit theirs.

I've "cross fit shield tank" on many an amarr hull. It's just something you don't want to do unless you have a specific reason to do so. Just like while you can "cross fit armor tank" onto a Caldari hull it's better not to do so outside of specific circumstances.

Neither race was meant to easily cross tank, they were always meant to maintain their specific tank roles, the Minmatar were specifically designed to cross tank, and a lot of Gallente hulls have had their attributes and even slot layouts redesigned to reinforce them as armor tanks over shield tanks.

I don't want an amarr ships that go and do everything every other ship in the game does. If I wanted that, I'd just do more cross training for the other races ships instead (not that I can't already sit in every Amarr, Minnie, and Cald T1 BS or smaller, and all Gall BC or smaller T1 hulls, mind you). Each race has it's own overall flavor, and to destroy that would destroy eve.

I do not think you read or understand still. Every ship has to be in balance in the game because they are ships, they share a function. Yes they can have their charasteristic and so it needs to be! Yet every ship has to be in balance and right now Amarr ships are not.

What comes to caldari ships fit armor tank. Caldari ships can be fit more easily to armor tank due to you have mids for utility and cap. Amarr has sucky mids, weapon system t hat sucks all cap out of active or passive shield tank. Fitting amarr ship with shield is plain bullshit. Yes there are few cases when you want to do that when it makes sense but generally speaking its just stupid.

Caldari are still more flexible than Amarr even yes they do have restrictions. They have completely dynamic damage type. Shield itself can be easily fit 400dps+ for em / therm with reasonable cap stable tank. Do that same with amarr ship while still maintaining damage. You will stumble to realize that you can't since lasers simply don't cut through most types objects. And now amarr simply get more stuck to turrets..

Pelea, you seem to be a troll and I won't reply further to your comments.

You can't kill anything with ewar range bonus.

Oh ! So the resist bonus is actually useless then !

What puzzle me too is that there wasn't any fit used as baseline for complaints and requests. Only modules comparisons and cries of unfairness about cap use and PG.

Dude, you've been told to shut up multiple times. This time it is me. *click*

1: Not at the BS level, until now.
2: Neut/Nos range bonus is actually more useful in the case of PVE. A Nos provides the same amount of cap to you from the NPC regardless of any bonus you may have (different mechanics are used for NPC's), and a Nuet lowers an NPC's tank by the same amount regardless of amount bonus for the same reason (the mechanic is set up to "simulate" the advantages of using the Nuet since NPC's don't actually operate the same way a players ship does). The extra range is actually more helpful.
3: If by situaitonal you mean any fight that happens within 40km, yes. (Aside from obvious advanced tactics where NOS boats are actually used to help fuel a logistics chain).

1. Really? Show me the T1 neutplatform now pls.
2. well, you can use NOSes instead of cap rechargers. Aside from that, who cares about the ship balance regarding pve.
3. Yes, but so is almost anything. Remote SD can break a group of logi cause they spread, or it can not affect them at all, cause they stick. Just talking the range dampening. Together with Garde's ~30-40km range, 36km neutrange seems pretty much on spot. And if you say that neuts aren't generally useful, the fleets you are flying with must be a real big-ass f1-blob. To my knowledge, there is always something that works less efficient with 7 heavy neuts on it.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bhaalgorn ?
Nossing NPC is useless, they only have 1GJ cap, or some other stupid amount, it seems.
By situational I mean you won't take it onto every battle.

A Bhaalgorn will perform completely differently from the new geddon in combat. Different bonuses, and different capabilities.

Every ship in EvE is situational then. I'm not seeing your point.