Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You idiot, absolute idiot because you highlight only one side of PvP, it's same like other people will say - Ships with any other bonuses have great deal than that do not have bonuses (paste any bonuses like shield repping bonus on mael, or hyperion or webs on rapier or dampeners or tracking disrupters or any bonus)

How cautious you are. Why not just say it open - "I'm all in for a cap-sucking abomination in the best spirit of Blood Raiders covenant" ? Or I've misread your post?

Yes, and yes. And Arbitrator was a hull, that were frowned upon by the majority of Amarr war doctrine, yet loved by the few, who enjoyed it. (Also, back into the previous argument, don't try to bribe highly specialized T2 ships to argument T1 ship changes. Noone will buy into it, not ever pilots, who fly them daily.)

Storyline, my dear. You can't just point at 10 years of storytelling and say "this had never happened". (Technically, you can, but you'll get the same level of disappointment, as Blizzard and other companies, who made this mistake in the past.)
The story says, that Armageddon and Apocalypse has seen service in years predating the current calendar. And the story says, what these ships were.
Also, the story says, that sucking ships were used by suckers, as a direct product of their heresy, not by Holy Amarr Empire.
Also, where you saw my "accursed drones" angle? In your imaginary arguments? Sorry to burst your bubble.

And again, argumenting T1 ship changes with T2 ships is not correct (read: a failure of an argument.)

Speaking of game balance changes, I'm fine with amarr drone ship. If you accidentally open your eyes, you'll even see my posts advocating that ship, and suggesting the layouts and bonuses.

The problem is the choice of hulls, first and foremost. Armageddon and Apocalypse MUST remain laser boats. No discussion allowed.
If you want a drone boat - Abaddon is here for you. You may even put 4-6 launchers on it. but no sucking bonuses, THANK YOU. If anyone want a bloody sucker, there's Bhaalgorn, and it even not require to crosstrain into any other race. And will require the same level of skills to fly, if I'm not mistaken.

To be honest, I think the only reason the Armageddon is going through such a major revamp is because come Odessey, the prices will probably double. If CCP was planning on dropping the prices of the ships, it'd make more sense to leave the major adjustments to the Abaddon- and turn that ship into a drone ship.

One of the Armageddon high points, as has been touched on, is that it's cheap. It's easy to field, and cost-effective too- but once the skills are there, there Abaddon starts to have much more appeal for most forms of warfare (the exception being small gang/solo). This fits with what the changes seem to be doing, turning the Arma into a roaming drone boat, though one that is easily dismantled by a truly long range fleet/ship. CCP is trying to keep the role intact while removing the method it achieved that role: Cheapness, Lasers, and Low-Entry Barriers. (Any Amarr pilot could pop into an Armageddon long before an Abaddon)

The Apoc, on the other hand, is receiving the nerfbat to it's already "meh" armor (from the Amarrian standpoint, other races might/do disagree) for quite an agilty increase (it seems). But the Apoc I feel is the loser in all these buffs. The Armageddon will stand above it in close range brawler. And the Abaddon can fit beams OR pulse much easier, and tank much better. And if you're really trying to snipe something, the oracle will do it better.

So what does the Apoc gain? A tracking bonus. But will it be used in fleet warfare? No. Will it be used in Solo? No. Will it be used in PvE? That's about the only place it can be used, and even then only until skills can support an Abaddon. I don't know why this ship exists in the Amarr line-up. With prices being equal, why would I want to produce a ship with weaker tank, weaker dps, and a pitiful "improvement" to it's mobility when a few plates/rigs strip it of the bonus in a heartbeat.

As for the Abaddon, I feel it'd be better to strip it of a resistance bonus completely. It's what makes the ship, but that resistance bonus makes it hard for the rest of the line-up to find a spot, especially when part of the Amarr is "big heavy tank" and the other part is "lasers" well- why bother with any other ship if this gives both of those?

Especially when it is unwarranted, and half-assed? Yes, I did heard of it. I've even seen it.

The nerfing it's total cap was done with the intent to increase the amount of cap regen on the Apoc. It's arguably a single, half nerf.

And since we made a gigantic fuss around 30 pages back, they added the laser changes. You seem to be a few days behind, but apparently Fozzie was running level 4s fine before they adjusts pulse/beam lasers. Enough fuss convinced them to adjust lasers by that fair bit, but we haven't had much of an impact in this thread convincing CCP to change things. That's our one success, so far.

Better than nothing.

Seeing as level 4s are endgame content I suppose that's a perfect metric for deciding how good a change is. I bow to your superior wisdom.

What's the reason the Mael and Abaddon have the same PG? The Abaddon is supposed to armor tank and fit higher PG weapons while the Mael shield tanks and gets a higher CPU because of it. Even with the new energy weapon changes, it is physically impossible to fit Tach's (102% of PG) while it isn't on the Mael or any other race. Are all Amarr BS's supposed to use nothing but Scorch until they can fit a Paladin?