Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I thank CCP Rise for finally realizing the Large Energy Turret and Amarr BS lineup relationship is completely broken. The changes Rise posted aren't close to being enough to fix the problem though and I think we'll see that when they hit SISI. I took this info from Kethry Avenger in the Large Energy Turrets thread, so I thank him for the work.

with all level 5 skills

T2 1400's on the new Mael use 98% of the grid, leaving 510 pg to do something with.

The new T2 Tachs on the new Abaddon use 102% of the grid, leaving -480 pg with.

Where is there any advantage of T2 Tach's in this situation? The Abaddon will REQUIRE a cap booster to even be playable in this situation and we're going to require a PG module/rig to even fit them. Now the Abaddon is down 2 module slots and can't pick his damage type versus the Mael who doesn't need ANY cap. You'd be an idiot to fly the Abaddon in this situation.

If you're running missions or PvP and you want an Active tank in this scenario, FORGET ABOUT IT. . To be comparable to active shield tanking, you need 2 armor reppers. T2 Armor Repper requires 2070 pg AND require even more Cap that you don't have on an Abaddon. Now the Abaddon is down another 2 modules for PG and cap, while the Mael shield tanks and just needs the one repper. Again, why take the sniper Abaddon?

Why fly Amarr at all with anything but Scorch? Does anyone at CCP think this scenario is not accurate and acceptable at all?

In reference to the first part of your post concerning NOS, a couple of points.

Currently NOS use is only common when you know you will purposely be running with a low cap level, and yes it is a bit risky. I've also seen NOS thrown on simply to help conserve their cap boosters, which is valid and a bit less risky that way, but if you are going to run a cap booster you'd probably be better off just mounting a Neut.

Personally I'm going to reserve judgement on laser/NOS combinations until I see if they do anything with NOS as they have hinted at. If those are made more viable it could be quite interesting, but I'm not getting my hopes up too far just yet.

To be honest I doubt you are ever going to see Tach's as a practical option for a heavily tanked mission running ship. They are viewed as an over sized weapon system only really useful for specialized sniping setups, where you have made great sacrifices to mount and run them.

lol geddon Is completely balanced, and is seen 100% more than hyperion in this current eve.

go look at any kb battle ship kill/losses statistics, Armageddon is everywhere Hyperion AINT. cant beleive i actually had to use KB stats

While the Armageddon was good in it's role, that role was viewed as somewhat redundant... too similar to the other Amarr BS in use.

The old Armageddon's role was to be a very good close to mid range brawler. It's new role makes it even better at this role (particularly at close range), but now it caters to other Amarrian racial tendencies other than lasers and provides a connection to those at the BS level. Obviously they are fleshing this out in other Amarrian ship classes as well.

I remember the outrage and claims of how "worthless" the Prophecy would be with it's similar changes, yet it is rapidly (for the first time since it was introduced) becoming considered an iconic representative of the Amarr lineup... not to mention one of the best BC's in the game.

As I"ve said before, I will miss the old Armageddon on an "emotional" level. It was my first BS in game and it served me well. However I am going to thoroughly enjoy having a ship at the BS level that allows me to make use of the skills I trained specifically to support other Amarr ships. Drones were trained for the many Amarr ships with large drone bays and the Arb/Curse/Pilgrim lines in particular. Neuts were trained for the almost ever present utility highs in Amarr ships and again the Arb/Curse/Pilgrim lines (and the side step into the Cruor/Ashimu/Bhaal). Missile skills were trained up for my fondness of the Khanid ships (which are a recognized part of the Amarrian line up) from frigate level on up to BC level.

All of these skills were trained up specifically to allow me to fly Amarrian ships properly (and conveniently opened the door to other racial lines as well).

The only ship class where they did me little to no good was at the BS level, and now that issue is being addressed.

This is why you aren't seeing as many complaints from people as you would expect (no disrespect to their opinion, but most of the complaints are coming repeatedly from the same few), because it fills a gap in the Amarr ship lineup and provides use for all those skills that a well rounded Amarr pilot has trained.

I'm sorry, but when was the last time you saw a fleet based heavily on Armageddons?
Or a roaming BS group?
Or even a pirate camp?

I really liked the Armageddon, but it was redundant.

One thing it did have going for it was that it was cheap, but as pricing will be leveled that won't be a factor anymore.

look at null sec scrub

I do every day, from a variety of points of view, thanks. Low sec as well.

I'd love to say the Armageddon is heavily used, even in relation to other Amarr hulls, but (sadly) it is not... and the facts support this.

My rage is so absolute that you just made me freeze helium.