Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The whole "People will fit Lasers on everything !" is completely overrated.

Why would you fit Lasers on a Tempest ? Why would you fit lasers on a Moa ? On a Scorpion ? Hurricane ? Stabber ? Deimos ?

I wouldn't fit Lasers on a non-bonused-for-lasers ship, because I'm better off with my races' weapons, simple as that.

But if you absolutly want to deal with capacitor issues, feel free to.

The argument that nos can provide you with any meaningful amount of cap is erroneous, it is a simple matter for the experienced pilot to maintain a 30-40% cap thus preventing you to get much of anything unless you deliberately cap yourself out, making all your modules stutter like a neckbeard who stumbled into the girls lockerroom .. and even then the return is far less than is needed (10cap/s is not exactly world shattering).
Nos works a lot better on small hulls where drain is better balanced with capacities and fights can be over in the blink of eye, but the vast cap reservoirs of BC+ makes them a rather pointless module for those sizes.

Notice the *new* Armageddon's mounts .. same fashion as the Dragoon, with equal room for missiles and guns and with cruise/torp getting a lift simultaneously the 100% capless weapon option opens up so seven neut fits will be restricted to specific tasks such as counter-hotdrop scenarios and logistics harassment - both cases where one must assume external cap is available in the form of transfer.
Compare it to how you'd fit the *old* Typhoon or the Dominix for that matter, the 'all neut' has its uses but for general operations you are be better off with 4-5 guns/launchers.

PS: While CCP has not turned me into a fan-boy, the past few days worth of data on their thinking/plans has allowed me to 'see' where they are going .. and it might work, but damn do they have some data mining in front of them to tweak this complete shake-up of ten years design philosophy over the coming years.
PPS: Still need more info on thinking/plans .. more, you hear MORE!

I can see the general trend of loud handfull of people staunchly against the changes, and the vast majority silenced by the win and awesomeness amarr is once again bound to become.

Things can only be argued on subjective, personal grounds now, as functionally, these ships are damned good.

The sky is falling etc etc.

As were I, still am in some respects. I am vehemently opposed to NOmen pigeon-hole and the dronification of the line-up .. honestly thought after the Punishers Abaddonification that they would do same for Maller/Proph, but they apparently had a different path setup in mind.
It is a major paradigm shift from start to end and will require them to do an abnormal amount of editing to the background in order to make it 'fit', but fact is that the Amarr lines will ultimately have a lot more versatility and be infinitely harder to counter ..
Remember U'Ks fits during the last war? .. EM/Therm hardened up the wazoo. Perfect counter to Amarr hulls at the time .. imagine that being tried against the post-tiericide line-up.

I still disagree with the general path CCP has chosen, that of catering to the scrub with clearly defined progression and negligible reason to cross-train but it does open up a lot of options for established players.
Question is if they can complete it without the races losing their flavours entirely, and they are damn close to that happening, which is why I balked at a Gallente hull having more (not same, but more) lows than the Amarr counterparts as that together with lasers and resists is one of the defining characteristics of Amarr.

Lore/RP, as far as CCP is concerned, is of secondary concern. They stated as much when they dismantled the Dept. responsible for it and opened up the slack to be picked up by ad-hoc pieces to be made by any employee with a bright idea and grandstanding ISD run 'events' ... wish it wasn't so but there it is.

PS: We few, we happy few (RP/Lore aficionados) should stick our heads together, open communications with one another, that we may shape the universe to our liking with the tools provided by the powers that be. If done properly and with enough collateral damage, we can force CCP hand and get them involved once more with the 'real deal' instead of the pop-queen/spectacle that is "events" .. the name of that most foul concept alone screams themepark.

In short: When the tsunami comes in, trying to shout it down will not be as effective as gathering ones resources, hopping on a boat and rebuild the aftermath to be stronger than that which was washed away .. vengeance will be ours, but it comes neither cheaply nor easily.

-1% really ? why not make it 1.001% ? or -0.5% ?

These changes are stupid why would you remove 5% bonus to 4% ? that does not make sense.

And I've used it well. Now, what? As I see it, such ships are there for new players to make their final decision. If they like the combat style of a certain weapon system, it's not too late to cross-train a race, that makes the best use of your weapon of choice. I did that in the past, myself.


This doesn't mean you have a carte blanche to destroy ships, that (citation begin)represent the embodiment of the Amarrian warfare philosophy(end of citation) on the premise, that "numbers and observations tell othervise". That is BS, but not the "battleship" one. That's "bullshit" one.


So, it was increased. So, it can be reduced back down, to let it go with new changes.


And missile slots were removed because of weapon consolidation and overall removal of split weapon systems.

Pretty sure it was mentioned in a reply or other but can't be arsed trawling through 200+ pages to find .. at any rate, do you really think that they'd claim to make BS relevant again, redesign them and leave out a weapon that a full quarter of them use as their primary .. including a *brand new* Winmatar BS?

Has been mentioned in various Dev posts since this time last year, that they were aware of the uselessness of particularly cruise and were getting ready to work on it .. it is only logical to assume that the revisions will in this BS patch/expansion or at the very least in the first emergency patch to patch the patch/expansion.

There, bolded, italicized and underlined the operative word for you .. takes a few years to get set in ones ways and find ones favourites. When changes are then made to the roster, either by addition or revision, one faces a struggle to break free from the set ways .. I too get the feeling that there is more around than I can ever get to learn properly.

Very common emotional response to an ever changing environment.

!WARNING, Real world comparison incoming!:
Do you think that iOS/Android/WinMob fan-boys are what they are because their chosen horse is the best of the best .. i'd wager they are so adamant in their convictions because they cannot cope with the prospect of having to mend their ways or do a full evaluation of the "others" to make an educated decision. Response is what one can read in any thread/forum concerning said systems .. rampant threats, smack, lies and outright denial.

Thus endeth the lesson.

1) Apocalypse changes

Apoc needs to keep it's 7500 cap amount.

I remember the days it had 6000 and a 5% Per Level Cap Amount bonus, which due to being rubbish, was turned into the 7500 amount we see today and the interesting optimal range bonus.

It's a good value, especially with the cap use of lasers (I disagree with the cap use reduction on them btw), and also allowed Amarr ships to be sporting quite good local tanks.

I also thought high cap amount but lower cap regen was meant to be a feature of Amarr ships, although I will admit it's something CCP have never really pushed or played with on the other races.


2) Armageddon Changes

Although I'm sad to see the 8/3/8 Gankgeddon go, they're otherwise lovely.

I'd drop the missile slots though. I know you like versatility, but tech 1 Amarr is really all about lasers. Missiles should be reserved for the Tech 2 Khanid line. It keeps them special. Racial flavour is important.

3) Abaddon changes (or lack of)

Oh. Big changes to the more interesting ships of the Amarr empire, but you left the most bland of them as-is. Not sure if good or bad. It's a very boring ship.

That's because it's a wrong ship for a wrong role.