Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hi again,
some opinions on the Amarr changes:

The neut bonus is a good idea, and very powerful. It will give players an effective tool against logistics and nano ships. However, as a drone boat, the Geddon with its currrent changes will outshine the Domi and there is no way that is going to change as long as you want to it to be both a drone and a neut boat. Using drones as a main weapon system mitigates many of the problems neutralizers normally have (grid+cap usage). Drone ships do also inherently have powerful defensive capabilites like being less vulnerable to jamming, dampening, frigate swams etc. Look at the Domi: Neuts are already powerful on it, and that's even though it only has 6 highs, no bonus and can't even fit a full rack of heavy neuts due to lack of grid. Giving one ship a bonus to both drones and neuts is therefore going to make it pretty overpowered.

I also have to agree with many of the previous posters: To me as a rather old player, drones seem a bit un-amarrish. I like flying Prophecies, but when I think of Amarr, I still think of lasers bringing justice to the infidels.

One possible solution: Make the Geddon a turret/neut platform more similar to a Bhaal than a Dragoon. Simply switch out the laser cap bonus for neut range and keep the rof bonus. Keep the 125m³ drone bay and compensate with another high slot. Give it 5 hardpoints. 5 lasers and 3 neuts plus drones should do plenty of damage but also eat cap like there's no tomorrow, which would give the ship a weak point for its enemies to exploit. The additional high slot would also make it possible to bring 8 heavy neuts instead of 7 for when you need to break Basi/Guardian chains. You'd lose a large part of the dps though, which the drone variant would no. Seems like a fair tredeoff to me.


I'm not sure about the Apoc. It does anemic dps, but its double bonuses to projection might make it worthwhile in some situations. Younger Amarr players might find it difficult to fit a good PvE boat when no single Amarr BS with cap usage bonus remains. I think a better solution could be found here, but I'm not sure what it might look like.


The Abbaddon change is absolutely fine, imo. Redusing the resist bonus to 4% brings it in line with other bonuses without losing variety in the process. (I'm trusting this will be done on all ships with resist bonuses...)

These changes make Bhaalgorn and Nightmare not worth using anymore with their price tags since these will be so much cheaper...

Also great way to butcher Apocalypse that many liked to run missions with without constantly eating cap booster charges...

He could be the godfather of the Empress herself, but without having final say on the matter, which is doubtful as he is still a CCP Youn'un, the result may be far from what he envisioned .. critique is valid enough as he is the spear-/figurehead of the changes.

Yes Amarr ships are good in blobs, we already covered that .. problem is that it will be their only function, perpetual blob ships (when people run out of tier3 BC at any rate) with very little hope outside .. all the other races are made viable in all size engagement. Only the Geddon will ever cross a null border as it alone has any hope (however slim) against the competition.

Having three laser ships is not a problem, Amarr is lasers for christs sake. The only deviations (until tiericide) was a single frig and the eWar platforms .. there is plenty of variation possible with an all (or mostly) gun layout.
The changes since tiericide has completely ignored nine years of lore as pertains to racial flavours, no wonder the evelopedia is hopelessly behind as they will quite literally have to rewrite everything which is a lot.

Without some form of explanation of their chosen path I shall maintain my opposition to everything they do as it appears to be a massive homogenization/dumbing-down of Eve in the hunt for the almighty dollar that catering to the fickle/casual gamers promises ..

Amarr was never about versatility, it was all projection and staying power with versatility only possible if chopping off one's feet and hands .. don't get me wrong, it is nice, but it erodes the soul of what it is to fly Amarr.

Unless you only gank then you already hull tank as balance between ships has been fine tuned this year to a point where no matchup is a guaranteed win and winner more often than not surviving in flames (ie. hull).

Everyone else has to eat ammo. It seems only fair that the Amarr have to eat cap boosters.

+10% to Drone damage and Hit Points (replaced large energy turret rate of fire)
+10% Energy Neutralizer and Energy Vampire range (replaced large energy turret cap use)

a mini bhaalgorn?

As a relatively fresh player I can only say that taking away Apocalypse cap use bonus is a horrible idea and you should feel bad for even thinking it was good.

This really screws over low-skilled Amarr players, especially in PvE. This thing is barely capstable as it is with only guns and hardeners running without great capacitor/cap use skills.

Well, unless you cut all Large Energy Turrets cap use by 50% across the board with no strings attached... then yeah, bring it on! Otherwise - take a step back, rethink this fumble and think of the little guy out there.

Surely has been cleared already, but use discharge elutrations and a cap booster! All the amarr pilots I know don't complain in the slightest once they fitted that stuff ♥



Also, I'm extremely happy this new Geddon is coming in summer, and not just for christmas. Cause that thing belongs under a tree.

I'm unable to comment fleet warfare, so abaddon looks totally fine for me, given it was a decent ship to boot.
The apoc though... holy crappers. Tracking Bonus appears as a huge deal for me, especially in a moment of apocs vs. missile-spouting battlecruisers, this could tip the balance a lot.


Back to the geddon: Are you mental? This Geddon is working exactly the niche that the curse had for itself, though 10times the mass. Personally I'd like to urge you to rethink the neutrange bonus, neutrange boni are extremely powerful, especially paired up with Gardes and a mate to tackle things. In addition, the domi looks like a PvE-variation of the armageddon right now.

or, maybe get your skills up to par for a battleship?