Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This. Please keep it "near the top" of the list, please!!!

And thank you very much for posting something. The community appreciates the feedback. =)

To be fair a lot of that is a META issue. A few years ago Abaddons were common in the tournament. ASB, and the trend to crowd control trough mobility pushed the amarr in a less looked into function, but they are nto weaker than they were, peopel just want to fight in a way that amarr battleships are weak.


THe resistance nerf to abaddon is the first nerf amarr received in like 5 years. I do not think its deserved to be fair, but at least the abaddon gonna use less capacitor due to lasers adjustments.

The abaddon is still avery powerful ship. Just the geddont aht god raped by a thorax and the monster born is this incestuous gallente amarr cross over. PEople wodnered why we had no gallente + amarr pirates... well here is the answer.. because amarr themselves are becomming that.

@CCP Rise:
I am glad that the weapons are going to be balanced, but will this also address the obvious cap issues involved in making them on a BS level utterly useless in PvE as well? (ie., will we be able to cut back on the obscene fitting requirements on cap issues?)

I largely agree that to continue pointing out shortcomings with the weapons is useless as long as the laser rebalance is in the short-term. Hopefully this includes a crystal rebalance as well to diversify into more thermal damage perhaps.

The changes to the Apoc and now the Navy Apoc continue to worry me as does the continued denial by CCP Rise that the tracking combined with a range bonus isn't inferior to pretty much any bonuses they could have given them. Obviously someone at CCP must have done the math on how useless tracking bonuses are at the BS ranges especially for a weapon that already has superior enough tracking especially if you're ALSO giving it a range bonus which doesn't do a whole lot to pulse fits that could use the tracking, but is useful to beam fits that don't use the tracking. Pick one of the two bonuses, down the turret count to 6, and switch to a damage bonus to compensate. DONE.

He said he made the changes to the Apoc to "distinguish" it more from the other 2 BS's but then he keeps the fitting and mod lineup the EXACT same as the Abaddon except for a slight buff to cap recharge. Great, all the PG and cap issues as the Abaddon but with 2 vastly inferior bonuses to it. Poor attempt at diversification there.

I am honestly curious what scenario CCP Rise thinks the Apoc is built for. He mentioned for fighting ABC's but even if it was better than the Abaddon (it isn't in my opinion), why not just fit another ABC to do that? The Oracle can fit 8 tach's (lulz) and we're supposed to even consider Apoc or Navy Apoc?

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You are already looking at large beams. It is obvious to EVERYONE (Baring Bouh, who has made it obvious he just wants to ensure Beams are never viable on a beam ship over rails on a beam ship) that your 'touches' currently are not going to be sufficient, so you could easily add another 10% to the adjustments at this point in order to keep things workable for now.


Telling us that 'We will look at it in a years time' is a whole year which Amarr Battleships remain in a totally broken & unworkable state with regards to any kind of long range doctrine with their own weapons. And that really isn't acceptable. In the current state of Amarr ships, I, and many others, will simply not fly them, or if we do we will projectile fit them.


Also, Armageddon/Dominix debate is heated as to which is better, yes, but both are currently in a bad spot. They are just arguing for last & second to last, not for any real spot. The Armageddon has been left with T1 battleship fitting, it has not been given comparable fitting to the Abaddon. And again, should have the option of using it's racial beam weapons. It doesn't, the best way to fit it is with Projectiles, or Missiles (Which at best are a tertiary Amarr weapon). And with it's lackluster fittings, close range weapons are really the only serious choices meaning the neut range is basically irrelevant, and you are better off just slapping a couple of neuts on any other battleship.

Some of this gets into the naval ship thread. Naval versions no longer HAVE to be just improvements to or a reworking of the base offering as can be seen with the Naval Armageddon. They can go in completely a different direction to fill needed roles in a race’s line up. Personally, I can’t help but feel and think that’s a good thing for everyone. We can all agree that the Naval Armageddon fills the needed versatile combatant role for missions and else awesomely while retaining a true Amarr spirit, if admitting the entry fee is higher. One issue with the line up is now solved?

Forgive me for repeating myself here due to relevancy but I am not sure I "get" the Apocalypse at this time in that I am having to look at it as something outside of what was considered its traditional role and the new role of projecting fire at longer ranges against smaller ships "reads sketchy" without seeing if improvements will be made to laser weapon's native tracking ratings in the weapon rebalance. Can it pin hole a HAC in this version or an INT or T3 effectively? If so the described role looks more worthy of filling to make a BS worth buying in the face of some steep cheaper competition. I'd like to read some thoughts on that from those that have tested it against such targets.

Sure, its frustrating right now. Many good Amarr have rent their clothing and self onto presenting the appearance of a messiah just “AFTER” the crucifixion. But it could still pan out alright. So its agreed that with the current laser weapon mechanics the ships look below par. However, could the developers be forward thinking people designing these ships for the new mechanics they are working on? If so, then are these ships actually a guide to figuring out what rebalanced lasers might look like even if they are not ready to release details publicly?

You see, I have a hard time thinking that they would go through the whole ship rebalance process and not prepare for the future and particularly a near one like a weapon rebalance. As fans we might think them stupid sometimes but lets give them the benefit of the doubt that comes with a professional pay check. What if rebalanced lasers are designed to fit these ships into the indicated role...

Great CCP Rise basically dismissed any questions he tried to answer. Good job, I suppose?

I could not care less about Dominix. When changes to Amarr BS go live, I cancel my subscription.
I'm NOT playing this game for your entertainment.

To be honest, I'm not used to repeat my statements twice. If you're trying to placate me by telling that "but not much have changed... yet", it's a futile effort. Sooner or later, they drag every ship from under me, and what I would be flying?

I just wanted to note that there is a new kind of computer virus on the loose that is transferable to humans by means of internet use. It makes people flip out and go crazy over peculiar little changes in the functionality of known systems. Victims express bouts of rage through posts and exhibit zombie like patterns in a sleepless malaise of constant posting. Its not considered highly contagious yet. The CDC has been notified and are working on a vaccine. There is no need for alarm. If you suspect some one of having fallen victim to this new and as yet unnamed virus please contact your local forum police with the details. Thank you for your consideration. Further details to be posted as they become available.

Again... There is no cause for alarm.