Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm not, but how the hell is CCP going to change the Amarr lineup in under a month?

When these changes were first proposed, I voiced concerns that the Armageddon was becoming the new typhoon- they were ignored. In fact, the only responses we've had to this thread are trolling responses by Rise to bad-math posts, or to the concerns raised over a PvE viable ship. Which is better than no feedback at all but...

I really don't like the shape of this Amarr lineup.

There are only two ships I consider to be in trouble, the Domi and the Tempest - these are concepually broken and will require major surgery to fix. Although I think the resistance nerf is completely pointless and unnecessary, when you combine the changes to Energy Weapons, the Abaddon is in a significantly better place.

Apoc, is a wash. It was fine before, it's fine but different now - the most stupid thing I read in this thread is *Amarrians* complaining about homogenization because a battleship almost no one used became a drone boat, whilst demanding Hybrid style stats to smoothen out the rough edges (ie, downsides ie ie, high cap use, fittings) of energy weapons. The Apoc is almost the perfect sniper with Mega Beams, and it get's ******** with Tachyons.

Geddon - I see this as a combat/disruption ship hybrid - with no right to have attack ship dps, or abaddon ehp, but then again, it'll easily pull 1200 dps, with nearly 800 of that dps coming from drones if you really needed it to (1600dps overloaded with 6 damage mods and 2x 45km neuts!). It has CPU issues, but most of the adjusted ships have cpu issues - to be perfectly honest, I have no idea why CCP Rise thinks it's cool for old tier 3 ships to have practically zero fitting issues, and new tier 3 ships with the same price tag not to be equally capable - what's more, the Geddon is a combat ship officially, and should have the fittings to reflect that like all the rest. It's not supposed to kite, it's not supposed to dictate range (some of the greatest balance issues have been created by the moronic belief that the ships with the greatest range also need to be the fastest!) but bygolly will it fuckup anything that tries to do that to it.

You are obviously not aware that BS in FW are as rare as a virgin after spring break or that combat plays an exceedingly small role in the grand scheme of FW things ..

Besides, we LP whores (FW'ers) have access to navy Geddons at cost and there is very little chance of that hull being subjected to the same treatment and even if it was the result would be spectacular .. like a proper Domi clone with drone and gun damage both!

Find a solution to the Apoc/Abad cap problem and the revised Amarr line-up is one of the strongest of the lot: Abaddon will do the blob as always, Apoc will do blob support and medium scale fighting (where fleets are not BS/tackle exclusive) and the Armageddon get small scale/sole, blob and medium scale support ... perfect mesh if you ask me (which you won't/don't because I haven't had your Kool-Aid ).

you forgot lack of fitting options due to no PG


amount of PG after oddessey on the geddon: Fittings: 13500 PWG(-3000), 550 CPU(+65)


2k PG per neut/vamp. so you can fit the Geddon to take advantage of it's new bonuses.....but you will have nothing left over to fill your medium and low slots.

let's say you fill 3 highs, that's nearly half your PG gone....from THREE modules.

good luck doing anything besides spinning the geddon in your hanger if you don't have a **** ton of SP dumped into fitting skills.....

Seriously? Accepting? You dare say?

What the hell is a player with 2-3 in core skills for one of the consistently most skill intensive races in Eve doing even considering boarding much less fitting or even buying a BS?.

Sure, the grid could do with a bump, but even with the low 13.5k (16.8k after skills) it has great potential using a neut/AC, neut/missile setup .. would prefer enough to allow for laser/blaster fits but no absolutely critical.

to run missions?

no where does CCP come out and say to people NOT to get into ammar till you have about 12 mill SP. people have to learn the hard way

I think the award for thoughtless outburst in thread goes to some one actually claiming the Armageddon was a ship no one used for PVP or PVE, then nailing players for displaying some faction pride in a game that isn’t all about PVP in null sec, while referring to various players as dumb for desiring to reduce turret mounts and up damage bonuses to compensate in order to deal with fitting issues for battleships and increase their usefulness for skill points invested. “A lot of players” presented some interesting ideas along those lines and not just about the Apocalypse. It’s alright to disagree, to express how you feel, and most will even grant you the courtesy not to call you “just stupid” for it. Well, they would have done so... Enjoy your "PERFECT" sniper there pal.

buying one and using it are different. right now it's cheap as can be. hell, my naga costs the same amount. the geddon is a throw away BS with SOME usefulness right now. after odessey hits? it will be an expensive PoS. (Piece of ****)

If it's such a throwaway and not worth the crap, why am I prefer it over other two? I'll tell you why - because it's better. Simple at that.