Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Stop right there. Dominix is a Gallente ship do not bring that into discussion. Amarrs did not used t o have drone boats before just recently. Geddon looks OP to be honest and it will be for sure flown a lot and blown up a lot. But it does not mean its heart and spirit of AMARR. You just compared it to Gallente ship. This is whats wrong with Geddon. You could as well print it Gallente. Yes people would probably be whining about range about the range bonus on Gallente but Gallentes had rejoiced. Now CCP introduces drone platform to Amarr that means that some older Amarr pilots have to cross train drones.

Oh sorry I forgot its also better off with missiles than lasers. Again cross training of skills.

PLUS Geddons hull does not look at all like drone ship! It does not have hangars.

Can you elaborate on this "Cap disadvantage of the Abaddon is intended"?
Intended for what purpose?

Or

What kind of a massive advantage it suppose to balance so cap disadvantage is intended?


I just love this post to bits. Tell us more!


Hell yeah, lets look on Apoc vs Mega and it's better tank.

Lets look on 7 vs 8 lows.

Lets look on armor/hull 7000/ 7000 vs 6500/ 7500, especially considering DC, no one uses those things. People don't fit DC on their ships, especially on armor ships with 8 lows and those 60% hull resist across the board are a myth. I do agree with you, friend.

btw, what kind of weapons do you think will be fit on GedDomi, it have 5 turret points after all. Yeah, I do understand weapons are not important when you have drones and 7 highs full of neuts, but still. I think it will be lasers, cause cap is not an issue and they can change damage type in a heartbeat. So, what do you think?


Curses = T2
Pinlgrim = T2
Dragoon = disaster

I need to like your every post, they are that good.

I say it's useless in 90% situations.


Yes, you can't kill anything with neut range bonus.


It's useless. 60% Amarr pilots will be forced to find a new ship for them, and what is the options? Brick Abaddon, that losing 4:5 against Armageddon even now, and will be just a brick then? Good-for-nothing Apocalypse?


Comparing one ship with a bunch of other is sure looks promising, if you talk to an idiot. Thankfully, we're not idiotsа You cherry-picking advantages to make your comparison good. But anyone with half a brain see that it isn't.
And the Apoc doesn't put a dent into any situation, that requires brute force.

> Now CCP will change the Large Energy weapons. They will require less cap.

They will require more cap. Simple math: +50% - 20% = 30% increased cap usage.

> So lets first see what the feedback is from the Test Server before we start Demanding Changes.

Oh, helloo, developer's alt. .!.


We gave all the feedbacks already. The ships are below the grave floor even on paper, can't even theoretically work in reality.

Well, nothing more to say. We will just see.
I really love your posts.
Quite fun to read them :)



Thank you, I am happy that you saw the light.

So you are bringing Dc's now into the equation?
Perfectly fine with me.
The Mega has less armor but more Hull
The Apoc has more Armor, less hull.

Now, I do know that Real Men Hull Tank, but if we step outside of lala land and come to Eve-Reality, I think we can agree that the point is NOT to hull tank if we can avoid it.

Now, the extra low is nice indeed for the Megathron.
Of course, the Apoc has an extra turret.
Now, Perhaps we should switch an Apoc High-Slot for a Low-Slot.
That would be perfect right.
I am sure you agree :)




Neutralizers, vamps.
It would be silly not to use the bonus the ship has.
I am sure you will be flying around using 5 unbonussed lazers of course.
I will be interested to see how that works out.




Hehe, doesnt matter. If it is T1 or T2
I never knew the Dragoon was a disaster or that T2 somehow invalidates your assertion :)

Keep em coming mate, you are hilarious :)

You

I dont think you realize how much cap amarr ships use, a majority of non-all lvl 5 skill fits i see already use 2 cap boosters and occasionally an assortment of lows/rigs for cap, depending on the mdoules, having only 1 cap booster is a guaranteed way to find yourself haflway through the fight no longer able to fire your guns, if the enemy ahs a single neuting ship, you will have to have 3 cap boosters fitted to keep firing your guns, and even then its limited.

amarr ships were changed for variety" but they will become even more cookie cutter than ebfore with the heavy restrictions and mandatory slot allocations they will have to adhere to to remain viable.

Good post. Keep it up. Wanted to make the same but I have already given up.

Amarr are simply vulnerable of everything and being bricks. Its like Amarr ships were designed to be ganked. Slow predictable, tons of vulnerabilities. Yelling out "shoot me shoot me" in space.

I agree .... except if the other ship it´s minmatar o caldari, or a gallente droneship, or the enemy pilot knows how to sincronize a cap booster, or have a smartbomb, etc, etc, etc. But otherwise sure, its yours to destroy if you manage to fit a full rack off large neuts, wich doesn´t fit.

I think new geddon its going to be a good ship to have in a small camping fleet in low sec, there are lots of t1 cruiser logis that are going to suffer against it, also kitting fleets and offgrid-boosted videomakers will hate the ship for sure, but besides that...

BTW its good to see devs are reading the thread.

To get the DPS out of a typhoon you had to skill T2 Large Projectiles AND T2 Torps AND Drones.

The Armageddon should be compared to the Dominix if at all. Droneboat that does not have to rely on weapons to do the job.
The Energy Neutralizing thing is a nice one though, you can do the same you did with a Domi so far, but more effective.

To deal damage you need Drones and Lasers. Or just Drones. You don't have to crosstrain the weapon system of a completely different race.

Even if you find the Geddon good now, is it really so good that it had to be revamped from an already good ship and now takes up 1/3 of an altogether weaker lineup? Amarr desperately needed a low-SP, entry level ship useful in missions and we got 3 extremely niche ships, well 2 niche ships and the Apoc being worthless (not exaggerating, please describe an "oh I must have an Apoc" situation).

Agreed and signed.