Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I almost wonder if CCP should just strip the resist bonus off the Abaddon completely. It'd make the Amarr line easier to balance, though maybe introduce some more tears...

If they did that they would do it to a lot of other ships. Which I am sure you are well aware would then be ridiculously useless. A lot of Caldari hulls come to mind... Amarr would also be affected.

Well I'm talking the Abaddon in particular here. BS's are very common fleet ships. Damage/Armor resists are passive "Boring" numbers. As cool as they are, what about something like a RoF/Cap Recharge increase. Much more fun than plain numbers.

I just dont get the justification for these changes.

Abaddon, was supposed to eb the shield of the Amarrian navy, protecting the empire from any threat, no matter its strength. its tank is ebing nerfed

Apoc was supposed to be the "bow", striking down threats from a distance with impunity, i guess it can kinda do that still


but then we have the geddon, it acts and looks like a freaking "Hammer", and what do you do with hammers? you smash the crud out of everything in your way, screwing almost all defens eand speed in favor of unstoppable laser-death. it now has laughable laser-based DPS, its main DPS comes from little hunks of metal flying around, and its biggest "role" now is to harass enemy ships by tuching them in their bad place with neuts.

im going to be a bitter old man about the geddon changes until its given back, even if it takes 10 mroe years.

(all i know, is if the Navy Geddon is changed AT ALL, im done with the amarr lineup in its entirety, will just go fly minmatard or caldari ships)




and that devblog from a while back? the one that said amarr BS were fine? and i do believe there was a dev post that even said, if they were going to do EWAR for amarr, they'd be looking at a new hull (it was only one dev post when he was asked, but i recall it being made).

I wouldn't even mind, if they had managed to design a new epic Apoc laser hull in exchange, that looks and feels like an Amarrian attack battleship. But that terrible bully of a ship looks anything but Amarr and much more like a slow and heavy combat ship.

Did he said anything other than "new exciting roles fo each ship" bullshit? Anyone have transcript?

Seeing as once again my post was cut, I'm not going to bother to write it all down again. At this point I'm just beating a dead horse.

It's homogenization across all races, which is bad. We have the navy/pirate ships to fill in when we want to take a peek outside our normal race specific ships.

Let's talk "more work." I am fully aware that what I suggest is more work, and that's exactly what I think should happen. More quality work should be done balancing things. To put it in perspective, even if it's slightly off topic, in the past 12 years of my career, what do you think works out better in the long run: attention to detail and proper planning of changes or broad changes that take less time? If the answer isn't apparent, then I have some bad news for you.

As far as resists go, it's not simply 20% vs 25%. The loss of that 5% translates into more than a 30% nerf after you include damage taken/repair cycles/cap usage to offset the loss.

I'm almost positive that CCP is set in the way they want to go and this will be an issue similar to Incarna, where later on it gets fixed due to the absolute gutter-trash changes.

Not in written form. But the other disturbing part was the amount of "uh, uhm..." Then he looks towards Fozzie and 'what's his name'. That doesn't bode well in my opinion, gives the impression he has no clue what he is doing.

In my job you sometimes have to make decisions based on partial information. In those instances decisiveness is crucial! If you exhibit decisiveness (tone, body language etc) it is less likely coaches/players or fans will voice disagreement. That said if you don't have enough information to make a decision you don't do anything. No matter how much rabid coaches and parents are jumping up and down screaming like howler monkeys. Yes, it it is a very amusing mental picture at times...

Something that you will notice in that clip that CCP Rise is not decisive. Nor does he seems sure of what and why he is doing it. Which leads me to believe that it was someone-else, came up with it. The other thing you notice is the almost complete lack of eye-contact with the audience. There is two possible reasons: that he is lying and knows it or has extreme case of stage-fright. I would suspect that it might be more likely the former than latter. If that presumption is true; it raises the question: what is he lying about? Unfortunately, I cannot make any educated guesses about that.

It is also possible that the the evaluation on the cause for the lack of eye contact is incorrect.

I would like to commend CCP on what was a well organized presentation. Though it would have been nice to see and hear more detail on the plan/goals. As I am sure that it might be useful in helping to provide the concrete unbiased data the player-base is requesting...
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Back to Amarr!

The new Armageddon has no semblance to what feels amarrian. Amarr use lasers and there is little to no basis for a drone secondary weapon. If anything Amarr would use missiles as secondary. Khanid which are an offshoot make use of missiles not drones.

A built in cap-recharge bonus to amarrian laser boats would be nice if they are so determined to remove the 10%/lvl one. The other option as has been beaten to death would be to fix the cap-usage of lasers. Which is no matter how you argue it, draconian compared to hybrids. I am thinking the cap usage for lasers should fall between 1.5-2x the equivalent hybrid. The 2x should be for the T2. The 1.5x figure would be better for the T1 to assist newer players have some chance of firing and tanking when things get iffy.

The other thing with lasers is that the powergrid of Amarr ships needs to be high enough to allow for a full rack of Tachyons! That isn't possible to do without max skills in the affecting categories. As a result it kills a newer pilots incentive to fly amarr ships due to the difficulty in fitting and using (cap-issues).

I went onto SiSi to double check the fitting of 8-Tachyons Meta-4s on a Apoc-Navy. Based on my skills which could use some improvement on the cap-side but are lvl5 on engineering* I still couldn't fit them easily. In order to fit the guns I had to use 1 Ancillary Current Router-Rig and 2 Power-Diagnostic-System T2s. As a result the tank was weaker than I would have wanted by a significant degree. Now I am well aware and agree that some tank should be 'lost' if tachyons are fitted. However, it is a bit extreme to be barely better than a BC.

*lvl5 Weapons Upgrades and lvl4 Advanced Weapon Upgrades

Well, been nervous in that kind of situation its understable, I think.

All in all, the only people happy with the drone changes are the whinematar, who don't even use a full flight of drones across the tiers (breacher, bellicose, cyclone, and typhoon) now the phoon deviates so heavily it's basically a rusty rattler at this point. The real sad thing is that I've seen more people ask for the Apoc to become a drone boat, tachyons + full flight of sentries would've been an amazing combination.