Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Faction warfare isn't a solo pvp. Try to fly 30+ jumps in 0.0 and find a good target for your lonely ship and not die - that will be a solo pvp.

That same stupid and useless data was used when HML nerf happened,but all turret users were laughing and HTFU spam crap all over forum.

Are this changes are good or bad,I think we will know when they show complete idea about missile disrupting and how they plan to fix rails.We also dont know will they change ship bonuses.As much this look good or bad it is not full info.Neither we know what they will do with ewar ,and I am sure there is a lot more of this threads with changes to follow after this one.

I really have full trust in CCP Fozzie ,cause this guy is busting his ass to make things if nothing more interesting.My main concern is that he will burn out and we can loose best dev we had in long time.So far all changes he made had some sense,and were always part of bigger idea how he thinks pvp should look in future.

No you don't. Damn tricky for some people to accept the truth...




Getting solo fights all the time is solo pvp, doing 30+ jumps and dying to a blob is banging your head against a wall.

This is the most painful nerf, ugh....I mean "rebalance." If anything the change should be much smaller, or not changed at all. The TE nerf is pretty much forcing a lot of Minmatar ships to become brawlers, that can't really out DPS Blasters anymore, and have worse tanks.

A very poorly thought out change.

Let me rephrase... the date is not stupid. The implication that the number of ships that appear in killmails reflects direclty the capabilities of the ship is. There are a lot of other factors, like for example cost and skills needed. That means you can only compare within a same class of ship.

Also after a nerf the drop in usage of a ship is NOT immediate because a lot of people only have good skills for the ship that used to be the best one.


That is why just posting a table of usage of ships is not a very good argument of how good a ship is. One of the reasosn that BC always dominated that table is because they have the best MERGE between cost and power. But you cannot imply form that table for example that they are better than command ships... I have seen people put that table and say. Look.. the hurricane is more used than the vagabond, therefore the vagabond is horrible. Clearly the much higher cost and skills requirement of the vagabond play a HUGE role on those numbers as well.

I'm not sure you really flew the Hurricane before the initial changes to tracking enhancers or after the changes to the Hurricane hull.

CCP did not really hurt large fleets of Hurricanes at all. As far as nano-shield-Hurricanes solo? They were still viable, but tier 3 battlecruisers, tech 1 cruiser BOOST and the Harbinger f*cked that real nice.

This change will remove shield-autocannon-Hurricanes for the most part. However, blobs of artillery Hurricanes will still be intact.

The Hurricane is one of the worst kiting battlecruisers at the moment and wasnt the best in the near past. Infact, it was the second or third best for a long time (1. Drake, 2. Hurricane or Harbinger). CCP did not need to NERF it and I said as much in the Hurricane/drake/heavy missile nerf thread. They did it anyway. Still, it wasnt hit hard and the same for the Drake. Infact, CCP later boosted the drake (hahaha).

First of all solo PVP is solo PVP, wherever however you do it, by yourself alone in the cold dark. Whoever told you it was 0.0 only or whatever gave you that snobbish idea is beyond me but you have it and nothing can fix it.

One might even argue how flawed that perspective is since the more likely encountered target in 0.0 is a ratter, you know, somebody not prepared to actually fight you back.

Anyway know that of all the stupid things said on these forums, claiming that your version (most likely the scouted boosted type) is the only solo PVP ranks among the most stupid.

As far as the trick being no to die, can you tell me how losing 3kkilometers in fall off from say, a Cane will result in your death? You can stop acting like its 33% of your total range, the final number is so insanely small that theres hardly anything you notice. Even on something like a slicer, it doesn't even bring your damage projection down inside point range.

Couple that with the fact that they've outright stated that the 5% boosts are going away and that the command ship 3% links will be king of the hill, how on earth is losing 3 kilometers going to hurt you? The loss in TE range will be compensated for by an overall reduction in web ranges due to a removal of a broken set of t3 links.

So tell me how the TE nerf results in you dying more, or are you really just a drama queen?


Tracking Enhancers don't save you from Tracking Disruptors now. You won't really notice a difference if they're nerfed or not.

While, I agree this will hurt skirmishing. I really doubt this will hurt solo pvpers. Mainly, because I was doing da solo long before tech 3 ships and falloff being introduced to tracking enhancers.

Nothing will likely hurt solo pvp other than a larger player base, proliferation of logistics and electronic warfare. There will still be ways around this outcome, but armageddon would mean the end of roaming.

Anyway.

Nothing will hurt "small gang" or as I call it "small scale warfare".

This is a multiplayer game. Any changes made should be for the purpose, so f*ck solo pvp v0v

Ok, so we let you know what we think. Basically seems like 75% of people are not in favor of this unnecessary change. Anyone else think that there is any chance this wont happen anyway?

If you are hell bent on nerfing TE for no reason (unless more blobs is a good reason) then can you at least stop the nerf with T2 and leave the faction/officer TE as they are now? That way those of us who spent 6+ months training T2 projectiles, the support skills, and the skills for the ships that use them can at least buy our way out of your stupidity and continue to use these ships as they should be.

If one thing ever makes me quit eve it will be the god damn cycle of training into some ship/module only to have CCP come nerf it for some half ass reason right after you spend weeks/months skilling for it. Nerfs should only be done as a last resort when a module or ship is so overpowered that it is game breaking and isn't practical to buff other ships/modules to that level. This clearly is not the case with tracking enhancers.

Why is it that you guys seem to love pissing off your player base with nerfs? Nerfs take away from players, and invalidate time spent training skills. If something isn't horribly broken then just leave well enough alone. If something is broken then look at buffing inferior ships/modules first. Everything in the game doesn't need to be equal. Nobody wants to play your vision of bland and generic Eve.