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Caldari Win DUST 514 Event
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Skilfer Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-03-25 15:53:28 UTC
Since CCP has not published the news yet, I thought I would let everyone know that the Caldari have won the surface battle on Caldari Prime with the final tally being reported here.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#2 - 2013-03-26 01:52:02 UTC
*checks CCP's script*

Say here "Make sure Gallente win."

So... sorry, your win doesn't count.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Skilfer Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-03-26 01:56:35 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
*checks CCP's script*

Say here "Make sure Gallente win."

So... sorry, your win doesn't count.


I'm thinking this is why they have not posted anything yet. Now they have to rewrite stuff haha
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#4 - 2013-03-26 02:08:24 UTC
The Federation still has naval superiority. Its only a matter of time that this victory is over turned by an influx of new troops combined with air superiority that levels the resistance down to guerrillas and minor dissidents. Even without the notion of it being scripted its not really a sustainable situation.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

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Calathorn Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-03-26 02:19:02 UTC
Skilfer Azizora wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
*checks CCP's script*

Say here "Make sure Gallente win."

So... sorry, your win doesn't count.


I'm thinking this is why they have not posted anything yet. Now they have to rewrite stuff haha



yup, they can't be happy about their scripted eve event failing

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Calathorn Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-03-26 02:20:42 UTC
Simon Louvaki wrote:
The Federation still has naval superiority. Its only a matter of time that this victory is over turned by an influx of new troops combined with air superiority that levels the resistance down to guerrillas and minor dissidents. Even without the notion of it being scripted its not really a sustainable situation.




the last i checked, frieghters are still allowed in high sec yes?


one of them loaded with anti-matter rounds suiciding into gallente prime.

don't mess with the state

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Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune
#7 - 2013-03-26 03:13:01 UTC
I have a feeling Simon is right, the final tally there was almost even, no side can truly claim victory. factor in the simple fact that the federation can bring in whatever ships it chooses up to and including Solteur class titans, and the caldari no longer have their titan as a jump target... and it paints a pretty bleak picture for the remaining provist forces on the planet, especially now that the DUST mercs have left the scene.


freighters are still allowed yes. but if one was, as you have put it 'suiciding into gallente prime' it would be shot down by planetary defences or AA fire long before it hit the ground.

add to that the fact that until fired, (which a freighter can't do) each of those rounds has it's own magnetic containment field, and all you'd really end up doing is making a freighter sized dent in whatever your wreck landed on.

it makes a good narrative for attempted terrorist activity, but unfortunately the reality of the situation doesn't allow for freighter & ammo based bombs.

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Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-03-26 03:19:54 UTC
If almost 600 battles is not a true victory then i don't know what is.

                                              "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword"
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#9 - 2013-03-26 03:24:25 UTC
Aquila Shadow wrote:
If almost 600 battles is not a true victory then i don't know what is.

Look at the margin. It's about a 7% win margin.
It certainly is advantage Caldari, but it is not a white wash.

Consider it as 'Territory' on the planet perhaps. Each win represents taking 1 'fort'
This means something like 55% of the Forts belong to the Caldari & 45% belong to the Gallente.

This means the Gallente are still a going concern on the planets surface, they weren't crushed utterly.

The Caldari win provides an interesting place for the story to go forward from though, as with Gallente holding the orbitals, but the Caldari semi-controlling the planet, we have a lot more room for negotiated settlements & part compromises that leave things tense again.
Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune
#10 - 2013-03-26 03:42:38 UTC
Nevyn got there first, but basically said what i meant.

the difference is nowhere near enough to counter the fact that the Federation hold orbital supremacy.
Given that the federation can ferry in as many extra troops as they like to quell the remaining provists now, and the state cannot, the situation does not look good.

of course this 'could' all change when ishukone turn up. Though they have agreed to come as civilian aid workers, not armed forces.. we will have to see.

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Skilfer Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-03-26 03:55:45 UTC
Unit XS365BT wrote:
Nevyn got there first, but basically said what i meant.

the difference is nowhere near enough to counter the fact that the Federation hold orbital supremacy.
Given that the federation can ferry in as many extra troops as they like to quell the remaining provists now, and the state cannot, the situation does not look good.

of course this 'could' all change when ishukone turn up. Though they have agreed to come as civilian aid workers, not armed forces.. we will have to see.


Keep in mind that Ishukone and the CPD are not exactly good friends.
Calathorn Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-03-26 04:04:17 UTC
Unit XS365BT wrote:
I have a feeling Simon is right, the final tally there was almost even, no side can truly claim victory. factor in the simple fact that the federation can bring in whatever ships it chooses up to and including Solteur class titans, and the caldari no longer have their titan as a jump target... and it paints a pretty bleak picture for the remaining provist forces on the planet, especially now that the DUST mercs have left the scene.


freighters are still allowed yes. but if one was, as you have put it 'suiciding into gallente prime' it would be shot down by planetary defences or AA fire long before it hit the ground.

add to that the fact that until fired, (which a freighter can't do) each of those rounds has it's own magnetic containment field, and all you'd really end up doing is making a freighter sized dent in whatever your wreck landed on.

it makes a good narrative for attempted terrorist activity, but unfortunately the reality of the situation doesn't allow for freighter & ammo based bombs.



well darn, how bout nukes then?

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Aquila Shadow
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-03-26 04:41:53 UTC
Why do the Gallente always feel the need to ruin/complicate things with math.

                                              "Let Vigilance Be Your Sword"
Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune
#14 - 2013-03-26 09:56:01 UTC
similarly nukes require a specific firing sequence to be effective.
you might be able to cause a skyburst similar to the one that occurs in TEA by timing a self destruct well, but i doubt CCP would pick up on it, and even if they did it would reflect incredibly badly upon the state, which is not exactly a very caldari thing to do... no?

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Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune
#15 - 2013-03-26 09:58:09 UTC
Aquila Shadow wrote:
Why do the Gallente always feel the need to ruin/complicate things with math.



as a part-drone.. yuni would explain that mathematics actually helps simplify things by proving a hypothesis either correct or false. :)

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Eliniale
Co-operative Resource Extraction
#16 - 2013-03-26 12:01:25 UTC
Simon Louvaki wrote:
The Federation still has naval superiority. Its only a matter of time that this victory is over turned by an influx of new troops combined with air superiority that levels the resistance down to guerrillas and minor dissidents. Even without the notion of it being scripted its not really a sustainable situation.


It hasn't been a sustainable situation for over 4 years, as that titan loomed over caldari prime in the middle of gallente core space.

That the caldari titan would go down at some point was a given. (or the caldari would have had to take over luminaire completely and stomp out the entire gallente navy).

Point is, the caldari mercs on the ground are going to have a bad day, as more and more gallente forces flood the surface.

System ideas: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=191928&find=unread
Della Monk
Monastery of Drakes
#17 - 2013-03-26 14:29:31 UTC
Eventual planetary ownership may be a foregone conclusion, but the fate of all the civilians planetside in the meanwhile could easily have hung in the balance. Especially since we just got a chron touching on the long-simmering resentment of the local Gallente.
Liuni Kalthis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-03-26 14:47:35 UTC
Skilfer Azizora wrote:
Since CCP has not published the news yet, I thought I would let everyone know that the Caldari have won the surface battle on Caldari Prime with the final tally being reported here.



I'm still upset how they didn't let the DUSTies pick a side. Its all random joining.
Eliniale
Co-operative Resource Extraction
#19 - 2013-03-26 14:51:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Eliniale
Liuni Kalthis wrote:
Skilfer Azizora wrote:
Since CCP has not published the news yet, I thought I would let everyone know that the Caldari have won the surface battle on Caldari Prime with the final tally being reported here.



I'm still upset how they didn't let the DUSTies pick a side. Its all random joining.


seconded

Edit: My dustie did passively choose sides.

Every time I fought for the Gallente I gave it my all.

Every time I fought for the caldari, I was as annoying as I could be to my team.
Running into a wall of gunfire, bunnyhopping in front of tanks, standing in front of my teammate's shots, distracting them by shooting them in the back, crashing transports full of other bunnies, etc.

In short: in order for me to pick a side, I had to be a massive **** to my fellow mercs. (very eve style) But not exactly compelling gameplay.

Edit 2: fixed spelling

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Liuni Kalthis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-03-26 15:00:25 UTC
Eliniale wrote:
Liuni Kalthis wrote:
Skilfer Azizora wrote:
Since CCP has not published the news yet, I thought I would let everyone know that the Caldari have won the surface battle on Caldari Prime with the final tally being reported here.



I'm still upset how they didn't let the DUSTies pick a side. Its all random joining.


seconded

Edit: My dustie did passively choose sides.

Every time I fought for the Gallente I gave it my all.

Every time I fought for the caldari, I was as annoying as I could be to my team.
Running into a wall of gunfire, bunnyhopping in front of tanks, standing in front of my teammate's shots, distracting them by shooting them in the back, crashing transports full of other bunnies, etc.

In short: in order for me to pick a side, I had to be a massive **** to my fellow mercs. (very eve style) But not exactly compelling gameplay.

Edit 2: fixed spelling



Exactly but that isn't very liked on FPSes. I would love a "Join random, Join faction a, or join faction b" option on the battle finder. Sure you might have to wait for a minute or two but it would at least be an option instead of being an asshat to people.
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