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Fon Revedhort for CSM 8 - PvP for PvPers and those with a clue

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Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#161 - 2013-03-29 19:23:49 UTC
I guess its sad that his culture is so weak that its going to get quickly overrun by a few immigrants oh well another waste consigned to the ash heap of history!

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Richard Bong
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#162 - 2013-03-29 19:50:21 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
CCP Dolan wrote:
The line is, do not break any of these rules: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Forum_rules



Quote:
6. Racism and discrimination are prohibited.

Racism, gender stereotyping and hate speech are not permitted on the EVE Online Forums. Derogatory posting that includes race, religion or sexual preference based personal attacks and trolling can result in immediate suspension of forum posting privileges.


So Fon's already banned, right?


I just don't want this to get glossed over.

Khanh'rhh wrote:

Last time I broke the forum rules I got a 2 week ban, so forgive me if a lot of people are confused as to why he is not only not banned from posting, but allowed to seemingly run as a candidate to represent the playerbase, wherein the CSM charter says they need to be an "example to others".



This is what I don't understand, it's not like this was dug up on some obscure blog of his. He posted this stuff on the Eve-O forums himself, hell even some of it was in the OP of his CSM thread.

What I am taking from this is, that if I were to call someone a racial slur then I would rightfully be banned, but if I avoid specific slurs and just spout hate speech and quote David Duke and reference Hitler I can run for CSM.

[ASK] Me about drive by thread shitting!
Hoarr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#163 - 2013-03-29 20:01:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Hoarr
I honestly don't even understand how this is an issue. There is irrefutable proof that he's a Neo-[National Socialist German Workers' Party]. As such, the basic tenants of his beliefs are that he supports the systemic killing and persecution of all non-white heterosexual people. Let's just skip past all of the BS about IG and IRL separation and all the other nonsensical straw men that people have been trying to erect. He is incapable of living in a modern tolerant society and dealing with people that are different than he is.

His FUNDAMENTAL NATURE would make it impossible for him to act as a member of the CSM, as no reasonable person on that council or inside of CCP would be willing to associate with him. Moreover, his position on the CSM would be so much worse than an empty seat, because of the COLOSSAL S***STORM that would be rightly directed at CCP from the media. There would be irreparable harm caused to the business of CCP and the game of EVE.

Moreover, I find him to be personally abhorrent and any group that harbors or endorses this man or his corp and alliance is just as culpable as he is.
ZZEZ 'Murika
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#164 - 2013-03-29 21:14:29 UTC
CCP why are you letting this guy run?a open neo-nazi that doesn't conceal his positions at all, from quoting David Duke to posting a PVP video with "14/88" that have been made "with strict Aryian purity".
This is stupid, if this guy gets elected you'll be dealing with gaming medias instead of a few forum posts about this guy.
Afk Moon Goo
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#165 - 2013-03-29 21:47:56 UTC
ZZEZ 'Murika wrote:
CCP why are you letting this guy run?a open neo-nazi that doesn't conceal his positions at all, from quoting David Duke to posting a PVP video with "14/88" that have been made "with strict Aryian purity".
This is stupid, if this guy gets elected you'll be dealing with gaming medias instead of a few forum posts about this guy.

It's ok they had a cyber-bully last year on csm who almost killed someone by harassing him (can you believe it?), I think they know what they are doing.
+1 from me seems decent
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#166 - 2013-03-29 22:02:18 UTC
Afk Moon Goo wrote:
ZZEZ 'Murika wrote:
CCP why are you letting this guy run?a open neo-nazi that doesn't conceal his positions at all, from quoting David Duke to posting a PVP video with "14/88" that have been made "with strict Aryian purity".
This is stupid, if this guy gets elected you'll be dealing with gaming medias instead of a few forum posts about this guy.

It's ok they had a cyber-bully last year on csm who almost killed someone by harassing him (can you believe it?), I think they know what they are doing.
+1 from me seems decent

Did you stop to think about why The Mittani is not on CSM7 ?
Afk Moon Goo
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#167 - 2013-03-29 22:10:25 UTC
Alphea Abbra wrote:

Did you stop to think about why The Mittani is not on CSM7 ?


I have a better question : Fon Revedhort did you almost kill someone because of a videogame? If no I think you have your chances Bear
Marian Devers
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
#168 - 2013-03-29 22:11:07 UTC
Richard Bong wrote:
This is what I don't understand, it's not like this was dug up on some obscure blog of his. He posted this stuff on the Eve-O forums himself, hell even some of it was in the OP of his CSM thread.

What I am taking from this is, that if I were to call someone a racial slur then I would rightfully be banned, but if I avoid specific slurs and just spout hate speech and quote David Duke and reference ****** I can run for CSM.


Hate speech will get him banned, that's why I asked Snow Axe to direct me to them. All you need to do is find the post, and report it. What's the problem?

Khanh'rhh wrote:
To give you the benefit of the doubt, you have missed him quoting David Duke (google him if you dont know who that is) endless 14/88 references, using neo-**** music and saying "not all races are equal, some are inferior"

I give you the benefit of the doubt, since CCP have repeatedly deleted all his postings on the issue because they break the forum rules.


So there was proof, but now it's gone? Hm. Strange. Do I take your word on this? Would you happen to have a screenshot or something? I mean someone, not saying you, but someone, theoretically, could say "oh Khanh made some hate speech but CCP deleted the remarks - Ban Fon".

I mean, if CCP deleted these comments, wouldn't that make them a guilty party? Accessory even? Why are you still paying for your account then?

Alphea Abbra wrote:

If the alternative (The one Fon is supporting) is the ***, then yes people everywhere should forget their culture.


What is the alternative that he is supporting...?

I keep on hearing about all this bad stuff, but there seems to be no proof What?
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#169 - 2013-03-29 22:25:48 UTC
Afk Moon Goo wrote:
ZZEZ 'Murika wrote:
CCP why are you letting this guy run?a open neo-nazi that doesn't conceal his positions at all, from quoting David Duke to posting a PVP video with "14/88" that have been made "with strict Aryian purity".
This is stupid, if this guy gets elected you'll be dealing with gaming medias instead of a few forum posts about this guy.

It's ok they had a cyber-bully last year on csm who almost killed someone by harassing him (can you believe it?), I think they know what they are doing.
+1 from me seems decent


Mittani at best would have just gotten an assist for that

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Gorski Car
#170 - 2013-03-29 22:37:14 UTC
+10 votes.

Collect this post
Richard Bong
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#171 - 2013-03-29 22:37:36 UTC
Marian Devers wrote:
Richard Bong wrote:
This is what I don't understand, it's not like this was dug up on some obscure blog of his. He posted this stuff on the Eve-O forums himself, hell even some of it was in the OP of his CSM thread.

What I am taking from this is, that if I were to call someone a racial slur then I would rightfully be banned, but if I avoid specific slurs and just spout hate speech and quote David Duke and reference ****** I can run for CSM.


Hate speech will get him banned, that's why I asked Snow Axe to direct me to them. All you need to do is find the post, and report it. What's the problem?


CCP sitting on their hands and Nazi apologists shit posting.

[ASK] Me about drive by thread shitting!
Sidrat Flush
KarmaFleet
#172 - 2013-03-29 22:38:25 UTC
When Goons are calling someone out for their stated opinion it's a pretty bad sign and not a very good start for a political campaign even if it's just about pixels.

Its time to stand up against the bad empire based CEO telling falsehoods about what new characters can accomplish and pushing them towards an in game experience of drudgery and loneliness keeping them in the shadow of ignorance for at nest their own profit at worse apathy towards all the experiences that Eve has to offer.
CCP Dolan
C C P
C C P Alliance
#173 - 2013-03-29 22:40:10 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Dolan
Welp, people seem to be unable to prevent themselves from breaking the forum rules.

I'm going to be locking this thread till Tuesday. We at CCP should be making an announcement on this matter as soon as possible.

Creating duplicate threads will result in a lock and potentially a ban. CCP is looking into this, I assure you, but things are going to have to go on pause for a bit while we do.

CCP Dolan | Community Representative

Twitter: @CCPDolan

Gooby pls
CCP Dolan
C C P
C C P Alliance
#174 - 2013-04-03 18:01:14 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Dolan
Being supporters of free speech and free and open elections, CCP undertook internal debate about whether or not to deny Fon Revedhort’s candidacy for the Council of Stellar Management, careful to take all aspects of the discussion into consideration. It became clear we could not allow him to continue his candidacy past the initial electoral phase. While he is entitled to his personal opinions and to the ability to “roleplay a character” within reason, CCP does require certain standards for those representing the EVE player base which are not met by the views continually expressed by Fon Revedhort. The presence of such a player on the Council of Stellar Management (CSM) would only serve as a distraction to other elected Council members and developers they would work with both virtually and at in-person summits. Furthermore, it would reduce the overall efficacy of the institution itself and harm future iterations of the CSM, which would be counterproductive for each and every player. As such, with the Council being a vital part of our development process and a representation of our players both internally and externally, we have made our decision and removed him from eligibility.

CCP Dolan | Community Representative

Twitter: @CCPDolan

Gooby pls