Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Offlining modules...great...and what nerf do we get to local? Hmmm? How about something equally strong...llike simply removing it from null?

Nobody would undock in null. It is too much of a nerf. Null is not like W-space. You can't get hot dropped in W-space, your activity does not show up on the in game map or dotlan.

Local needs nerfing, and when that happens so does cloaking, but your solution is too simple and too much. People need to be able to exploit the riches of null sec...and there needs to be risk. Balance is needed. What we have now kind of sucks regarding cloaks and local, but it is balanced...or close enough.

Based on articles on blogs and sites lie themittani.com CCP is looking at this, but they haven't found a solution they like yet.

So I assume you have similar issues with POS?

And so what if they are 100% safe? They are 100% unable to do anything other than look at you while retaining that safety. Who cares.



And to this end, I want timers that auto-eject people from station and POS shields.



And sitting in station, sitting in POS shields. So tell us about your nerf to those.



And gives a huge buff to null sec PVE. Have you thought out the ramifications of that?



And to this end I think we need to end endless ship spinning in station. When somebody new docks, the person with the longest period of time in station would get ejected into space with a long enough timer to prevent immediate re-docking. This way we end station games. We keep people from being 100% safe (this is Eve after all, right?), and it promotes PvP.

What could possibly go wrong?!?!

Your problem is not that everyone is an idiot but you...your problem is that you are failing to deal with the other problem that has lead to afk cloaking. You are attacking the symptom and not the cause. Local's rather amazing intel capabilities.

But you are happy with local being the way it is so as soon as a non blue enters a zerosec system (or low, whatever), the locals can instantly scurry away to their Outpost/POS for 100% safety?

No way to the third page!

How does a nearly 4 year old character even come up with such an overpowered (and idiotic) idea?

Also, you have also completely destroyed Wormholes.

I`ll repeat what I said in another thread. The reason why CCP will not touch AFK cloacking is because AFK cloacking helps them sell PLEX.

There also needs to be a way to kill someone who is in an outpost/npc station too long. On their own, cloakies are really not that powerful - if they're dedicated ships, like recons or covert ops frigates killing them will take a well-aimed sneeze. Granted - they may remain safe "in the system" but they can't really do anything whatsoever while they're cloaked. The moment they decloak you can actually kill them.

T3s being a different bunch with their annoying habit of getting out of the bubbles, but they're actually not that threatening compared to the normal T3 setups someone would face. Covert Reconfiguration and Interdiction Nullifier force you to sacrifice a fair chunk of both tank and firepower.

That said, the mechanic on its own is rather dumb and the 'verse wouldn't miss it. It was, however, born as a response to safety brought by the easy-to-acquire intel - local. Removal of it wouldn't fix anything of course, because nullsec is vastly different from W-space.

I think I said it in another thread: anyone who goes against AFK cloaking, to have their argument heard should pass the Trial by Ordeal. They are to cloaky-camp a hostile system and try to gank someone ratting, or successfully lead a black ops drop. I have also stated that current NPC AI/Deadspace mechanics make it harder and harder to sneak up on people and gank them. For instance, a would-be hunter is likely to be shot by both his victim and... whatever rats the victim happened to be happily slaughtering.

All these cries of "but you shouldn't be safe!!11" are pretty dishonest. I don't see you guys screaming about the fact you can sit in your outpost perfectly safe, or sit in your pos and be perfectly safe, or that local is instant and infallible allowing you to warp off and safe up the millisecond a non blue enters system, or all the other things.

Also, why shouldn't someone who is incapable of doing anything be afforded safety? As the reward tends towards zero, why shouldn't the risk? Are you so bad at EVE that you want CCP to give you mechanics to allow you to shoot at people who aren't even currently playing the game?

This. Trying to catch people is near impossible. Why? Local gives great intel. Add on intel channels and cloaky alts who are watching a critical entry system (oh the ****ing irony of this one you whiney ass bitches). You have to either hope the guy has been unlucky and is scrammed by a rat, isn't aligned and not paying attention to things like local and intel. Other wise it is another night of sitting on the pig bantering with the guys in alliance....not horrible, but a nice kill every now and this would be nice.

I know it sucks not being able to rat, and some of you need to rat for plex. But you really need to look at the issue from all sides. Looking at the issue from just one angle will give you a skewed perspective. For example, you think you are looking at a circle. It is round, has a constant radius, and so by God it is a circle. Then you turn it and realize what a dumb**ck you were cause you see it is a cone and you were looking at the base straight on.

So...you guys that want to rat? I sympathize with you. Some of the guys in my alliance undoubtedly rat to pay for plex and I want them too...they are my alliance mates and are (online) friends. It is better with them there than not. And even some guy across the universe...I want you in game too. Why? I may get a change to shoot you, and more subs for CCP means the game will be here for me as well. So I get it. I ******* get it.

At the same time it should not be risk free (stupidity/bad luck excepting). I, as a PvPer, should be able to have a chance at catching and killing you with the rest of my gang. That is, for many players, where the fun lies. If that were to go away, I'd probably just un-sub after a few months. Never played WoW, watched my son do it, not for me thanks. Turn Eve into that and I'm gone. And that means fewer subs. So you should get this point too. Get it right through that ultra thick skull that even a large titanium sabot round has difficulty penetrating.

There has to be a ****ing balance. Nerfing cloaks wont help with balance. Nerfing local wont help with balance. Nerfing both...and in the right way can help. What is the right way? I don't know, this article discusses it and links to other articles, I like some of the ideas in there:

http://themittani.com/features/local-problem-tale-two-solutions

Like this part,



That would be fun. You have to go in system, hack the IFF Beacon, and the beacon goes down. Stops reporting. If you aren't looking closely you might not notice--i.e. you read the lack of reporting as the system being clear. If you focus on just that system (say you open a new window, it will tell you the beacon is offline--uh-oh that means hostiles most likely or some doofus forgot to fuel it) or something like that.

So, TL;DR fine nerf cloaks, but nerf local FFS. And give people intel gathering opportunities/options as well. Maybe it can make null more fun and interesting vs. the current rather stale situtation.

Besides, I've always liked cloaky ships. I like the idea of being the first guy(s) in system getting ready for an attack and being the last ones out as the fleet moves on for whatever reasons. Doing sneaky stuff like hacking various systems the defender has put in place.