Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So for the active player the new probes add nothing, depending on how it works. Done badly it would nerf cloaks for active cloakers like a bombing squadron, or somebody gathering intel, or getting a cyno into a particularly heavily camped system.




Oh for God's sake. Punished? Really? Occasionally losing a ship is a reasonable expectation in null sec. At least to me. Are you saying that to lose a ship in null is really punishment?



Because their cloaked? Which also means they can't activate any modules or do any harm to you.

Yes, yes I know CYNO and they get to choose when to engage. So, that is how it is for most PvE players (except for the unlucky and the inexprienced) and they always choose not too.

How about this, you can find them, but now cloaked ships can target you, shoot you, and activate all modules while cloaked? Sound good?

Good question...I thought that guy was AFK and AFK cloaking lead to precisely zero kills? I'm confused now too.

How do you know he doesn't have an alt. Maybe he does and is watching for help to arrive so he can try to get out if it does or will before he can kill his target? Maybe its a BLOPs for a fast exit? Just a cloaked scout one jump out could be very, very helpful in the right context.

The bottom line is the more information, the better. Local gives quite a bit of information already. Using an alt increases your information and the time you get it, depending on how you use that alt. This is true for both the PvP player and the PvE player. It is one reason many people have alts, to provide extra intel.

Who says you have to have an alt? Why can't a corpmate do it?

As for things being too easy, you are the one that said all you do is look at local and achieve perfect safety

Going to echo The Gunslinger....didn't you say you did not need one to achieve a significant degree of safety already?

Edit: If a cloaked ship is removed from local if and only if its cloak is activated, then there are times when the character will appear in local. Second if there is at least a probe that tells you if a ship is in system and you don't see the guy in local, then an alt could still provide useful intel.

So if you are in a dead end pipe, for example, and put that alt out there scanning away, he could very well spot that cloaky and give you time to GTFO to safety.

See above post. One part of what I do to earn isk is safe, though my effort. But that isn't the end. I don't have ISK at that point, I have a few million m3 of minerals.

Sure, you could do this, but then local is all fudged up for fleet battles or solo players, covops are now the best solo PvP ship for null, and nothing else has been achieved.
-Since everyone can just log an alt and scan, all industry characters will do this, so they will continue to safe up.
-Solo characters would need help to exist though.
-Covops would become the default piracy ship (since it's the only one that disappears off of local until the last second). This is think the the biggest point here, since a covops is not supposed to be a heavy combat vessel, it's a scout. Combat ships should be the ones favoured by pirates.
-Large fleets would have a mission of a time figuring how many are in local, who is in local, and how many times they are about to get bombed. Undoubtedly an out of game intel tool would be made to combat this. And any time an out of game tool is built it shows a lack of ability of the EVE mechanics, which is bad.

If you read your security channel, and/or warp out as soon as someone enters, there's no inty in the world that will catch you.
It's not feasible. 99%.
Even if you see you are bumping into stuff, even then you can correct it in time. Where's your balance now?

Well that's incorrect. I've seen it happen. In fact it happened to a guy in my corp: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19540527

Hulk wasn't aligned. He warped the moment the local ticked up. Didn't bump into anything, but the inty got there in time to drop him from warp.

Align times on an Exhumer are high, and it's not feasible to circular align in a grav (except the small, that's usually straightforward).

Yes, get out when you have been pointed and cyno is up. Good luck with that. Take out the cyno ship to kill the point first. While you lock or warp in the pvp alt, the hotdrop is already in progress. As you lock the cyno ship and your pvp alt lands on grid to lock it, hostile forces are already appearing on grid and pointing you. So the cyno ship and its point goes down but your ship is now pointed by at least three other ships now and more ships are appearing on grid. So "Should a cyno go up, you get out." does not work in practice. By ignoring a hostile fitted with the cyno, you have zero chance of escaping as the stealth bomber instantly locks and points and cynos you.

So the great issue of afk redirects to the great issue of cyno hotdrops because we all know how to adapt ourselves to deal with local hostiles. Some effective solution regarding the cyno must be imposed to address the hotdrop. Prevent the cyno from activating for 10 seconds after the cloak is dropped. Reduce the scan res of any ship fitting a cyno by - 75%. Increase the scan signature of any ship with a cyno activated by 200%. Increase the lock time by 10 seconds when the cyno is activated. Limit the cyno with a mass limit. Shorten the bridge range of Titans or remove Titan bridging altogether.

Address the cyno bridging and I will have no issue with afk cloakers. Let them afk cloak as long as they wish.

Just to reiterate. A cloaked ship with a cyno and an AFK pilot cannot activate that cyno. So, you are upset about either the active cloaker and y ou want to nerf covert ops ships (bombers, force recons, etc.) or you are upset by the uncertainty.

Right? Just want to be perfectly clear on this.