Player Features and Ideas Discussion

There is balance now. Local and AFK cloaking balance each other.

Fairness and Eve should rarely be used in the same sentence.

People cloaked at a safe are not a threat to anyone. What you are asking for is to either know that--i.e. decrease your uncertainty and in a way where you don't have to work for it--or to make it so people wont AFK cloak...which decreases your uncertainty and in a way that you don't have to work for it.

And it negatively impacts active cloakers, so again no. At the very least find a way so that active cloakers are not impacted. Then we can argue about the rest

But it is a buff for local and PvE, so not supported.

I would like to see cloaked ships removed from local. No more AFK cloaking...ever.

Also you could put a fleet of 100 black ops ships in someones system just to gank capitols when they undock or arrive and nobody will have any clue... not a viable idea.

The more I read the more I think that the argument of afk cloaking has nothing to do with making pvp better. it has everything to do with making ratting in 100% safety truly possible in null. Because every option I hear from most ardent anti-afk cloakers is nerf cloaking until it is mostly useless (i.e. scanning down cloaks, cloak fuel, cloak timer, etc... ) yet most of those is one sided. It allows you to scan down the cloaker and kill them, but how does it allow the hunter to hunt the intended prey? Roaming gangs are usually impossible because as soon as you get anywhere close anyone with half a brain POSs up and docks up. So you are left with awoxing and afk cloaking.

I believe both sides must be viable. You should be able to rat with the right tactics, but the hunter should be able to hunt too. Both should be able to tactically outsmart each other for the kill or escape. So far most afk cloaker nerf threads I see only "fix" the prey side and do nothing to make hunting easier. In many ways it makes hunting even harder.

And lets face it, assuming afk cloaking were to get nerfed then all you would see is more awoxing. Especially in alliances with lax recruiting.

and this is my argument... if the hunter is at the keyboard sure this is correct, though when he is not, he is no longer a hunter but more along the lines of a griefer.

removing AFK cyno cloaking will not make PVE in null SAFE... just look at the killboards for null, roams kill PVE ships all the time. plus active cyno ships will still be able to hunt, this is about AFK cyno cloaking not active cyno cloaking, think you missed the point.

AFK cloaking as grief play? No. Not even close.

Removing AFK cloaking will absolutely make null safer. To claim otherwise is just silly. The reason people don't undock is because they see it as being unsafe to do so when there is a cloaked hostile in system that has been there for 14 hours already.

And removing cloaked ships from local, adding probes to find cloaked ships kills AFK cloaking dead, it means all cloaked ships are active cloakers...it is what you claim...but you wont go for it. Ever.

So...you want safety, the claims of people being active....not so much.

But you'll give up an entire day or 5 with an AFK cloaker....okay.

You do know that sounds...well...confusing?

yes I know what you are trying to say, but no, sorry I am playing EVE actively, I am not going to sit in a scan boat all day... i'll either got on a roam in PVP ships and get some kills or use high sec alts.

I play EVE because I like the ACTIVE side of the game missioning in high, PVP in null... as of 7-8 months ago I used to mine in Null, not because I enjoyed it... but because the alliance needed it.

All you are promoting is stagnation and inactivity, which causes frustration, I'd like the mechanics to promote ACTIVE play. I seriously think ACTIVE players should be treated preferentially to INACTIVE players, but without effecting players inactive for other reasons then to create a threat in an enemy system.

I love to play EVE, but you want to relegate me to scanning all day every day? then I would not enjoy EVE!

Following the discussion since my last post, I see it necessary to address your concerns.

In the first place, my post was quite respectful and sincere regarding your inability to understand how to catch targets with local in place. You don't even need a passive AWOX'er, who never shows up on killmails OR on overview, but that is always useful and easy enough to do even with a light blue. Fortunately, a less-biased player was able to discern and quote that the answer to your challenge to me on how to catch them with one mechanic (bubbles) was in the next paragraph. I left it up to you to figure out all the details on who places which type of bubble where and when. Not that it is hard to figure out when the main points are presented, but I wanted the pvp'ers to work a little bit for their first effective pve asset killing tactic. You'll have to figure out the rest of the tactics yourself, but that was just the tip of the iceberg of tactics passive and complex tactics .. your welcome.

PS: With all due respect to Lucas and the fantastic job he has done representing the non-afk cloaky player base, even though he "himself has stated that if he does everything right under the current mechanics he can escape every time (discounting things like glitches)," that claim is simply not true at all. There are plenty of things that you could do with current game mechanics simply by creating very good tactics, plans, and intel, and claiming that it is not possible simply means that you need to pay a smarter consultant to do the work for you. Just because Lucas concedes a point in your favor does not make it true. Everyone has a chance to win the game, but not everyone has a chance to do the impossible in the game especially if their brains are not capable of conceiving the methods to achieve them and they have to turn to CCP to blindfold people.

Everyone knows that being in space means that anyone can shoot you, but if you can't find the targets, then you are looking in the wrong place! Try looking where there are people actively looking for a fight themselves already and I promise you there will be a fight! Looking in the wrong place for the wrong targets by natural law will bore you and waste your time.

I am telling you that opportunities in Eve exist for the smart (unlike most other MMO games where intellect is not so much of a requirement)! Your bias toward your own position makes my objective post seem personal (which it isn't) and that prevents you from understanding my message correctly and in its entirety. I suggest that you try reading the rest of my previous post with an open mind and you may come to understand that we are more on the same side than you think and that there is an easier solution than even your current ideas.