Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You are the one saying I minmax, I simply push for yield where possible. If I can get a better yield by moving, whats the point in staying? If you want to call that minmaxing fair enough.
And no, I'm in favor of NOT BREAKING NULL. You want to jam in some local changes which would clearly break null completely.
I'm not entitled to local any more than you are. It's simply a feature of the game that I use. If they change it, I'd have to find something else. But changing it would break a lot, whether you see it or not, and chances are null would become completely empty.
I have no issue with guerrilla tactics, I just have issues with you wanting the game change so only guerrilla tactics are viable and they have the massive advantage. If I'm to be threatened, it must be by someone actually playing and putting effort in, not by literally any random idiot in a covops. Your changes would make it so you could automatically win as long as you have a covops cloak.

So much as you've done previously, you've read some bits of post, then come up with some made up rubbish that you supposedly think I'm saying, when you know full well it's not. This is what Vas was talking about earlier. You do this because your actual argument has no strength, because your argument is purely in favor of making cloakers even more powerful, while they are already at the high end of the balance.
How about you leave my words as my words for people to read, and not post your incorrect interpretations of them.

What lack of risk?
I'm not going to suddenly be giggling to myself at how easy it is to mine, I just might actually see people when flying through null, rather than everyone being clustered into little moving groups that change systems when cloakers arrive.
And I don;t find it a lack of risk to be successful at avoiding combat as a miner. That's simply using my and my characters skills to evade people. If I could just plonk myself on a rock, hit F1, F2, F3, then go grab a drink, that would be risk free, but that's not the case. I have to be 100% aware and ready to warp out at a moments notice. Anyone that aware would be able to evade combat, regardless of their chosen profession.
EDIT: Oh and statistics wise, they have never made a change that would add that much risk to null industry. It's already only just better than high sec though, so Anyone mining for efficiency would move there.

LMAO do you really think hitting the warp button the second local changes - before the other guy has even finished loading system - is using skill? It's not, bro.

Let me put it to you this way: What can the hunter to do catch you? Not counting mistakes/glitches on your end, what can he do - what effort can he put in, what skills can he use - to catch you reliably?

None. You yourself have said the mechanics - local, that is - provides you 100% safety.

That is imbalanced, because you should not be able to reap the rewards of null in 100% safety. I cannot believe you think you are entitled to that.

Min Maxxing is a fitting philosophy, which focuses on a single aspect. It ignores any other concern where a fitting conflict might otherwise occur.

Actually, my changes have been not really mentioned. The first link below describes how I would change local, the second how I would implement the ability to hunt cloaked vessels.
The only significant change, would be a need for effort to have intel.
In this case, zero effort would expose you to risk, where in the current system it does not necessarily do this.

Ironically, it would kill AFK cloaking in two ways:
Either noone would know you were there, or they would hunt you down.
Specifically, the moment they started looking for you, you would be at risk comparable to not being cloaked at all.
(But they would need to make the effort)



This tells me you have not looked at the ideas I actually do endorse.
Your interests are being met by them too.

I welcome a discussion in the appropriate thread, if you wish.

I didn't say it was good skill, but it's still a skill. It's still something I have to consider and I have to do. It's not automatic.

And no, if I'm perfect on my timing and have been well prepared, then I get away. That's how it SHOULD be though, since my ships is DESIGNED TO ESCAPE. If I was in a battleship, chances are I can;t align as quick as you could get to me. If I was in an orca, I definitely can't. But a barge is designed to escape, so why are you so surprised it excels at doing that.

On the other side though, without local, you could simply jump on me between loads as I arrive, and I'd have no chance to escape. You feel that is somehow fair though?

Its ONLY 100% safety because I DO WHAT I AM SUPPOSED TO DO. How are you missing that. If you do WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO, then you are 100% safe too. You are saying that regardless of what I do, no matter how well prepared I am, I should have to die because you chose to attack me. You are saying bomber > exhumer thus exhumer must always lose. That's total nonsense.

Only that nullsec shouldn't be 100% safe, that's precisely the point. But i thnk everybody already understand that issue you have with concept of nullsec, so it's safe to move on.
And right now it is. I can make absolutely crazy ISK by taking no chances at all. AT ALL. If local changes - i warp out in a BS. I've less than 8sec warp out time, with a BS - and nothing can catch me like this, except maybe incredibly lucky interceptor, and for that i have 3 warpstabs. So please, don;'t tell me it's you or your skills - nullsec as is presents abnormal profit/risk ratio. AFK campers slant the chances, so if you want them removed - something gotta give.

Indeed, however I will not focus on yield at a detriment to my defense. I field combat drones for example, not mining drones.

It would also mean you don't know a cloaker is there until he's on you.

At no point have I said it wouldn't end AFK cloaking. In fact I've said a couple of times, of course it would. But it would also heavily damage a variety of other mechanics.

Having the ability to detect cloaked ships, also brings with it the responsibility for doing so in your own defense.
Either fit the scanning module, or have someone do it for you. You will know the moment they land on grid with it.

In a way, I appreciate your points.

However twisted the mechanics, local effectively simulates an automated sensor package. It lists items added to the system perfectly, giving you the opportunity to react to them.

You may like this thread, which takes this aspect and makes it more immersive.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=112964&find=unread

So again, to defend against 1 player, I need 2 players, and one of them will be locked in place unable to do anything but scan, and he has to literally do that and nothing else, since if he stops, we can't find cloakers.

I would not say that, at all.

If it was just against 1 player, this would be an easier task. The implied cyno means a player behind the client of each ship coming through.
As to the details, no, this system lets you use the mining ship itself, or ratting ship as the case may be.

You will see the probes they use, or you will see the formerly cloaked vessel as it reveals itself by using the d-scan. Either way, by making the trivial effort of activating your sensors, you provide for your own intel.