Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Sorry for the late reply, I don't read this specific thread as often as I maybe should be because of reposts...

On that regard, I may have to apologize in advance, for my actual answer will be very short, some might even say it borders on being impolite.

Hmmm, maybe I missed something here but your response to Vas Eldryn's post is 100% inaccurate. The "threat" whether real or not is in reality a real threat because people in the system will treat it as such.
The cloaky may well be AFK, therefore is only a perceived threat But then it may not be afk and in fact sitting 30k from you waiting for his Blops, or the gang on the titan to get into place before lighting the cyno on you.
I along with many others, I'm sure have seen especially pve nulsec systems shut down due to a neutral cloaky being in system. "God Mode" is a reality, the perceived threat is often enough, especially if your aim is disruption. You stop people making isk (via a perceived threat) 1 cloaky frigate can achieve more than a fleet of battleships, a fleet of battleships is a threat you can deal with directly a sneaky cloaky hiding in deadspace is much harder to deal with.

XXX[ Do not change this, I like stopping people making hundreds of millions in isk with a 20mil cloaky]XXX and you never know when that 1 time the blops gang is close by will be :P

I put forward the question that you seem to gloss over. Where is the risk for the cloaked pilot?


The bottom part of every one of your posts is links to bad ideas.

Active players are active, so watching a module is no different from normal.

You'll want to read http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/third-party-policies/

They have their ways, the same as mining bots.

You realise however the only reason he's not contributing, is that anyone that posts anything that isn't a link to your sig, you immediately insult. Anything that isn't the idea you endorse in your eyes is wrong, and you have no problem telling them over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and OVER again. You are not contributing to any solution, you are simply berating people until they get bored of listening you go on. People like you are what is wrong with the EVE community.

Utterly wrong.
A cloaked ship that is AFK grants uncertainty. a Miner can;t tell if he is AFK or not. So he has the option of "NEVER MINE, EVER" or choosing a time he thinks might be safe and surrounding himself with PvP Players. When the cloaker is active, he can gather intel, get into position and strike only when he's sure of success. The thing you refuse to listen to is that TACTICS ARE PART OF COMBAT. If someone is tactically positioning around you, you are NOT 100% SAFE.
Essentially though, what you are advocating is a way to achieve easy kills with no effort. You are a coward.

Bomb, then activate cloak. Target dies after you are cloaked. Next.

Or, move system, continue to watch ever growing cry that nullsec is dead because everyone piles into a few select systems for safety, leaving most of null empty. I'd love to see null being used a lot more, but since you can;t PVE or mine without an army to guard you, the only thing to do in null is PvP. Since I get enough of that on ops, and solo PVP in null is almost always "chase nullified cloaky T3 for 20 mins, until he warps to a safe and goes off to fap", I'm not going to do that with my spare time, thus null remains empty.

Sure it does. The threat, whether an actual threat of combat or simply an AFK player is the same, since there's no way of differentiating the two. much like pulling the trigger in Russian roulette is always a risk, even though some chambers are empty. Unless you have inside knowledge abut the state of the next chamber, the risk is identical.

lol?
A threat is a threat. There's a threat that has an uber fleet behind it, and there's a threat that has nothing behind it. To an outside observer both are the same. Risk mitigation is about determining how likely the threat is to have a negative impact, how much that negative impact it will have, and alternate methods of avoiding that impact along with their negative effects.

Again though, the risk is identical. If you don't know which it is, the risk is the same for both, thus both should be treated in the same way, until you can prove it to be one or the other.

You are saying this from a point of view of KNOWING the type of cloaker. A null player doesn't have that luxury. Again with the Russian roulette example, you wouldn't know whether you were going to be dry firing or firing a bullet. Pulling the trigger has the same level of risk, regardless of outcome.

Maybe we're talking about different things here.

I was referring to that "It doesn't matter if a threat is real or not because it's always real" thingie.

That doesn't make sense. It's either real or not. Period.

That's like saying it doesn't matter if it's a square or a circle because it's always a circle. See, doesn't work that way.

On another completely unrelated side note:

It is good that so many people do not dare to undock once I am cloaked in their system.

That significantly lowers the possibility of me running into a login trap.

That barges could all be bait IMO.

Indeed, I would vote for a login timer. Everytime a pilot that logged off in open space logs in again there should be a 30 seconds warning to all pilots in the same system so they can flee in time.

Stealth bombers are expensive.

I wanted to say something about that, but then I got distracted, I may be getting back to that later...

You can't because it is literally impossible.

As for the threat... welcome to EVE Online, buddy.

I do appreciate the fact that you are finally admitting you basically want to remove risk though. That's the first step to understanding why you are wrong

The ultimate solution, remove local, or even better cloaks remove you from local. Then you won't know if a cloaky is in system and get all funny about it.

Is that a joke... not really. I live in a WH. I assume, often correctly that there is always someone stalking me. I mostly get away. I still run sites and make isk and stuff.