Player Features and Ideas Discussion

A player just coming back to the keyboard has not learned those things either, as you note. And you appear to be insisting on continuing with your pre-AFK cloaker behavior. Clearly that is not an optimal strategy....nor is it one you'd actually pursue. You'd pick one of several different alternative behaviors designed to deal with the AFK cloaker.

To me, the issue with afk cloaking is that the player doesn't have to do anything. They can cloak up for the day, and go shopping, fap, wutever, and there is absolutely nothing that can be done about it. There's no risk, and it's a fear tactic that is incredibly effective. Now, don't get me wrong, atm I am usually in a stealth bomber, a recon, or a cloaky nullified loki. I use cloaking all the time. But I'm always on when I do it.

Simple solution that would probably satisfy most, dual timer on cloaks.

First is activation timer, and you get 15 mins of cloaking. After 15 mins, the shutdown timer activates with the cloak still on for that final minute, and you have 1 min to click the module to "reactivate" it, which if you do, sets the cloak going another 15 mins.

This still allows for people to cloak up, take a bio, make a sandwich, whatever, but you can't just leave your account logged on all day cloaked while you are at the pub or playing golf. Cloak never goes off so long as you are there to click the module during the shutdown timer, so you are able to remain cloaked the whole time you are active.

You actually have to be present and playing. And paying attention.

A timer has pointless to negative returns if you want to promote conflicts.

In order to do more than mess with your imagination, they need to expose themselves to risk.

Like the PvE targets they are typically after, they are wanting to have an advantage before they choose to engage.

Now, what is being glossed over is not whether or not cloaked pilots should have risk. Read the second line of this post.

What the real issue is, what risk are the PvE pilots carrying?

A point that is solidly established, is that without cloaked pilots being able to long term siege a system, the risk is trivial.

Uncloaked threats are stopped at gate camps, or else they are scanned down and forced out by reshipped pilots if not by resident PvP pilots. Those are not effective for this.

Temporary cloaking pilots can simply be waited out. They can't eject targets from a POS or outpost, and if they don't stay long enough to risk assuming them to be AFK, they have no opportunity to threaten anything. They only manage to annoy residents with inconvenience.

Assuming you can have enjoyable PvP relying on null pilots to screw up and hand you kill mails is a joke, and that group won't last in null long enough to be a statistic.

more whaa cause you cant kill a miner who doesn't want to be a target for your enjoyment

Null sec is supposed to be risky...if you can't deal with a cloaked pilot, you are playing the wrong game.

Oh I'm sorry you are correct, null sec is supposed to be perfectly safe.

STFD and STFU.

What you don't get Vas, is the OP. The OP, and the linked follow on post, is a collection of bad ideas regarding cloaks and AFK cloaking in particular. Take for example the horrible idea of a timer that you endorsed. It is horrible because as has been explained numerous times before, it impacts not just AFK players, but also active players.

The active player now has to watch his cloak module. This will impact players in bomber gangs attempting to bomb a big fleet. It will impact people doing exploration. It will impact scouts who are in neighboring systems to the main fleet who are looking out for hostiles approaching. It will impact pilots who are out gathering intel for say an upcoming invasion.

And the one group it may very well not impact are AFK cloakers. Earlier in this thread I listed all the reasons why macros are banned and guess what, having a macro click on the cloak button does not violate a single one of those reasons. So the idea is complete ****.

But here you are thinking it is good and reasonable.

read my post I did NOT endorse it... all you have is misquotes and lies.

and you still have not quoted where CCP says I am playing the game wrong according to you?

I have never endorsed a solution in any post, I challenge you to quote a full post of mine that suggests a solution!

There I helped you out with some italics, bolding and underlining where you first, completely agree (then walk that back...make up your mind will you, do you completely agree or not?). Then you suggest instead a 2 hour limit. Which is less burdensome for the active pilot, but still it negatively impacts them.

And as I've pointed out it may not even impact AFK cloakers at all.

And the idea has been suggested before. Many, many times. Even pausing to give the idea this much attention has wasted enough of your time, my time and anyone else who reads it. The only good that comes of it, is it keeps bumping this thread.