Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yes, you are against cloaking. FFS be honest. If you accept a method that has a high degree of false positives then you are against the broader play styles in general. Don't be a goddamn sissy on this. Have some balls, if nothing else.

And no, it is not a perfect solution, in fact I think it is a bad solution.

The cloak does not need a counter when active because it pre-nerfs every ship that fits one. Now if you could say, pre-heat your modules or something you might have a point. If you could shoot while cloaked you'd really have a point. But you can't do either of those things.

And, once again, can one of you anti-cloaking whiners come up with an explanation of why you deserve an increase in your safety and in game income at the expense of others who aren't even involved in the discussion?

No?

Didn't think so.

Andy,

Regarding your suggestion, not sure I like it.

My biggest beef is that it does not let people look for cloakers once they are "hidden" in system. That seems too much. I know that may shock some in this thread (e.g. Lucas--oh and by the way Lucas, this right here should tell you I'm not just after easy kills), but given the lack of understanding of my ideas by many I shouldn't be surprised.

For example, guy in a stealth bomber comes into your ratting system, you see him as he warps off from the gate (i.e. he shows up in local). He goes to a safe. He opens a covert cyno and stealth bomber guy 2 comes in. Guy 2 doesn't show in local. He cloaks and then waits for guy 1 to leave. Now you have a guy who is totally undetectable once that cloak is active.

Even with your log off timer, he can still stay in system and log in and remain "hidden" for as long as he wants. Once he gets a kill, he then opens another cyno and brings in a replacment. Rinse-and-repeat and you got yourself a really nice kill box that used to be a good ratting system.

Strikes me as too much being given to cloaks.

HAVE YOU READ ANYTHING I WROTE?

(Why do I feel like I'm in an Eddie Izzard Skit...

Darth Vader: Do you know who I am?
Canteen Worker: That's Jeff Vader, that is.
Darth Vader: No, no, I'm Darth Vader.
Death Star Guy: You mean Jeff Vader's brother who runs the Death Star? Can you get me his autograph?)

We going to play this game? Hot drops are a problem for people who can't call on friends. If you get a group of guys and run anomalies in a system you greatly reduce the risk of a hot drop. Could the hostiles get more people, sure...that IS A POSSIBILITY, but if you want 100% safe PvE...wrong game.

And learn to use the resources that are available to you. A hot drop doesn't happen in the blink of an eye. Chances are those guys have been sitting on that BLOPs for awhile, so unless they keep moving they'll show on the in-game map...within cyno range! Even if they are using a blops and moving around to avoid being spotted on the map, that increases the chances of being spotted and then being reported in an intel channel.

A group of players....like a corporation or even...an alliance...can provide a counter to a hot drop...by working in a group they can make too difficult a target.

I'm mainly a PVP pilot, and i find cloaking (especially AFK cyno cloaking).. stagnates the game.... do people not playing eve but to choose to remain online deserve invulneriblity?

Well thought out, Teckos, and it is good to see you thinking this way. I also considered the stealthy "leapfrog" bridge as well as the stealthy entrance via wormhole. I think that the "hidden" issue is fine under these conditions for two reasons.

First, anyone covertly bridged in, while hidden, would be limited as a cloaky to only being able to light covert cynos. So residents would only have to maintain preparedness for a covert hotdrop.

Secondly, if a non-cloaky gained stealthy entrance into the system through a wormhole before the residents found and painted it, then the residents would still be able to easily dscan and probe out the non-cloaky fairly easily. The risk from either scenario is not zero, but it seems acceptable enough to me at this point. Cynos still remain overpowered, but the proposed limitations to cloaky ships not being able to fit a regular cyno allows players the ability to probe down and catch regular cyno ships.

It might be a nice kill box if no one learned about the gank or the killmail and if no one worked in groups large enough to counter the covert hotdrop. I did not consider the effect on the proposal of the most recent personal refitting station added in the last expansion. I still do think that cynos need to be re-balanced to provide much less advantage to insta-blob-hotdrops, but at least this solution goes a long way toward limiting the issue with regular cynos on cloaked ships and toward consistency with lore.

facepalm.... its like talking to a moron..... lets not go over this again... lucas and andy already have, just stick to your "nuke the game cause i can't play it" sermons!

So, again, how does an afk timer nerf the active players who makes effort to play the game?

And how does the afk timer affect more peoples than your dumb idea?

See you can't discuss the solution I prefer.

Cloaking doesn't need a counter. Here's why:

CLOAKING IS ITS OWN COUNTER.

The instant you activate your cloak, you can't do anything except move around - and even then you can't get too close to anything.

You cannot use any modules. You cannot change or reload ammo. You cannot jettison anything or pick anything up. You simply cannot do anything except move around - and if you do come too close to something, first you have to get away from whatever it is and then you've still got a recloaking delay of at least 5 seconds.

So yes. Cloaking is its own counter. You are rendered completely impotent while you're cloaked and as you're not any threat of any kind at all there's no need for anyone else to do anything about you.

Also: If you're going to make me do some stupid action, play some stupid minigame or consume fuel to stay cloaked, then you should have to be forcibly undocked and then re-dock, complete a capcha or pay a quarter-hourly docking bay rental fee in order to stay docked up. Some of us have legitimate reasons to stay cloaked for long periods of time and not all of those reasons involve terrorizing delicate little flowers who shouldn't even be in nullsec to begin with.

Why do you need a counter to the surprise? Why are you even surprised? You're in nullsec. You shouldn't be surprised if you're practicing proper vigilance. Someone's in local? You should be prepared/preparing to GTFO at a moment's notice. You should know that. If you don't, then you should feel ashamed of yourself.

Don't try to screw everyone else in the name of promoting, protecting and increasing your own selfish and worthless laziness. If you can't handle nullsec, then get out of it.