Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And I good sir was being facetious

Andy, I have posted pretty much every idea he has. ITT you'll find me talking about the IFF Beacons, the cyno jammer black ops decloaking pulse, the constellation gate recorders, etc. And linking back to that page. It isn't like I wrote, "This is the best idea, go read [insert link]."

And keep emphasizing cynos all you want. That is not the issue here.

And yeah, I'll be prepared for the cyno on the AFK cloaky. I'll be prepared to fight and I'll be prepared to lose my ship if it comes to that. The first part especially if there is an AFK cloaky in there...because I wont go in with a **** fit carrier and start ratting.

And yeah, I know you lost your carrier to a cyno ship and a Hel. And that fit....

You do know that the fourth and fifth drone damage amplifier IIs provided very little boost to your damage output right (the fourth increased drone damage by only a bit over 6% and the fifth only a 2.438% increase)? And if you had swapped out two for maybe warp core stabs you might have gotten away. Granted it would gimp your targeting range and resolution, but dropping adaptive invul II and one of those shiny omnidirectional tracking links and putting in a couple of sensor boosters would have helpoed make up for that. And samething about penalties to the omnidirectional tracking links, fitting more than 3 is kind of dubious.

And was Zania Miromme AFK camping or did you get caught in an anomaly?

Oh and were you aligned?

My carrier was caught by a friendly giving a red the bookmark on my position over 100 km from the anomaly not in line with any celestial. I was trying out a stationary sentry fit at distance and if the red had not had that bookmark, there is no way that he would have been able to warp right on top of me as he did. That ship was not supposed to see pvp and even if it had been more prepared/better fit, the cyno fleet commander would have just sent more. At that time Red Alliance was crumbling and couldn't organize defenses with the English speakers and my corp was failing too, so there was no chance of getting any kind support to make any kind of fitting matter if it was caught. You made a good point with the warp stab, but in the end I determined that if the ship could be caught, it probably would have been a situation so far beyond my imagination that it wouldn't have mattered anyway. The stab would have mattered here, but I had not anticipated a blue staying off the kill mail by giving the bookmark to the red while out of system and the red actually landing from the far gate soon enough and close enough to actually catch me. It was a freak case of betrayal by a blue and nothing more. It demonstrates how op supers and cyno fitted stealth bombers are.


Even if the limit is 254, that is still plenty to overwhelm any target. And even if the FC chooses to not send the entire blob on a lone ratter, you can bet that he will at least send enough to easily win without any losses or send NONE at all. So however you prepare, the cyno ends at best in a stalemate with you and a win in the next target chosen. If you can manage to allways be prepared enough to maintain a defensive fleet to handle up to 254 ships 24/7, then my hat off to you. How many groups do you know can sustain that kind of preparedness AND maintain effective PVE ops 24/7?! There may not even be a single group that does this or that could do this if they had to.

Countless threads have lamented the blue ball and the hotdrop, but forcing the blue ball tactic for mere survival is quite unreasonable. If the issue with blue balling hotdrops was resolved, a great many other problems with Eve would be resolved. Think about it, if an effective solution for cloaky cynos resolves the afk cloaky issue, then the problem we have is not with being afk, nor with being cloaked. If he were afk for months but could do no cyno, we could maintain preparations against a SOLO threat 24/7 easily enough. If he had no cloak, but could cyno, we could still hunt him out of the area with appropriate pvp ships and not have to maintain preparations for the massive cyno hotdrop 24/7. The issue is with the combination of cloak and cyno, and inactivity, because even an active cloaky cyno usually decloaks every now and then and can be engaged and caught.

Great so if it's just about skill, then active cloakers shouldn't have a problem deploying counter measures to stay cloaked while they are being probed by people trying to scan them down.

Lol, 161 pages of this? Are you guys serious?
There are sooo many ways to deal with AFK cloaking its not even funny.
This thread is just ********.

You don't get to pretend everything is skill based, when you have an automated mechanic bypassing skill entirely, specifically helping one side.

Now, if you want to make intel gathering skill based, then you can achieve higher results, such as gaining access to intel about cloaked ships.

Again with that monitor analogy?

It is flawed, and as usual, it errors in the direction of gross exaggeration to create another straw-man.

If you want a more comparable analogy, call the pop up problem a symptom of using your web browser to visit the wrong web sites.
You keep getting a pop-up telling you to download 'Magic-Fixer', so you can remove a virus problem you have no other reason to know about. (That's local telling you a hostile is present, and your reaction to dock up)
There is a good chance that this virus doesn't even exist, or is simply a cookie that has no affect other than to report you visited that very website.

Don't trash your monitor, that would be like not using your computer at all. Instead, I would suggest either installing a good antivirus with anti-spyware, and possibly not going to the sheep pictures so often.
(Antivirus and anti-spyware equate to fitting defensively, and using tactics to limit what can be gained by watching you... see how that makes more sense in this context? Visiting different websites equates to going to a different system, again an option that doesn't require smashing your monitor.)

As to my explanation, in the previous post you partially quoted, it defines why AFK cloaking occurs, not anything about a solution itself.
Try reading more before responding, next time, it might help your response to be more relevant.

First, a straw man is an argument that is exaggerated to the point where it has flaws not necessarily present as originally presented. These new flaws can be beaten, but they are not actually a part of the original argument. Beating them holds no significance, but can create the perception that the argument is beaten to those not well informed.

And no, I am not relating local to being a virus. That doesn't even make sense, in the context that it is pointed out this may not even exist at all, or could possibly be a mis-reported browser cookie.
No, the popup is local, and here it is reporting something that could be one of the following:
A. An actual virus (A cloaked player that is really active)
B. Completely false (A cloaked player that is not going to be active during your play session at all)
C. a misrepresented tracking cookie (A cloaked player gathering intel, with no capacity for violence)

See, local is reporting something dangerous. The pop-up is reporting something dangerous.
Dangerous for local is a violent hostile in system that may be active. The pop up is claiming a virus is on your PC.

In both cases, you can avoid the issue by simply logging out, but that doesn't really solve anything.
At least you aren't smashing that poor monitor, though....

Let's just settle this argument that afk cloakers exist because of local nonsense once and for all.

Let's assume that most players know to move pve ops to another system when a cloaky player camps a system for more than "x" minutes. The afk cloaker camps a mostly empty system, except those who have business to do in station, in pos, or on other accounts. The result is that the afk cloaker has little effect on the system or on any gameplay at all.

So now please tell me, what compels a player to afk cloak camp a hostile system when he is accomplishing nothing by doing it. No resource denial, no "getting players comfortable with him being there", nothing. How can local possibly promote an afk behavior which has practically zero rewards? And why do we think that promoting afk behavior, or log-off behavior is good for Eve? Ask CCP and I imagine their goal is to increase player activity, not decrease it. More active players means more people enjoying Eve more and that means more subs, stronger loyalties, and more fun. What good is an empty Eve Universe with no paying subs, except the ones afk cloak camping lol, anyway?

So there we have it. Neither local nor any other mechanic promotes afk cloaky behavior, and such behavior is the opposite of the good of the Eve Universe so it should be discouraged and not promoted.

Surely you are joking on both accounts.

First, if there is a station in system, do you really think there is a capital pilot who would not jump to a cyno on the station? NO! And capital pilots do not usually jump to systems without a station unless they are in a large capital fleet, at which point the presence of a single red is not the greatest of their concerns. What capital ship would have a second thought about a station cyno in an afk cloaky camped system? Please tell me.

Second, the effect of getting people to jump through a jump bridge once, while your account sits in the system afk cloaked for months stroking your imaginations of being important, is so minimal as to fall into the same category as a single click every 30 minutes. A single jump to another system for the next few months that an afk cloaky camps that system is far less effort than a single click every 30 minutes.

Leaves us saying, Having an effect? wth? Surely you are joking.