Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Why should I have to do that? I'm an active player. Why should I periodically have to warp out? When I'm active? So you can nerf AFK cloakers? You got the wrong target. You keep trying and missing.



Let me see, you imply I'm suddenly accepting something I have already accepted....100+ pages back. You claim my preferred solution leave NPC null without intel...something I addressed. And yet, I'm suppose to feel bad that you are upset that I stopped reading your post. Spare me.



I have made dozens of posts on my preferred solution. I've been quite willing to discuss my ideas, but it is you that is just running around and being very misleading. I mean look at one of your earlier posts. What hyperbolic bravo sierra. Infinite cyno threat. Or this one where you come in going on about dropping local...you couldn't even be bothered to read previous posts where you'd realize it wasn't simply dropping local. This one where you pretty much called everyone a liar, classy move. This was a nice one too. Gee that one sounds alot like the recent exchange. You come in, make an inaccurate statement, I correct you and 90 so pages later...you make similar inaccurate statements.

But since you asked...here is a link to the my preferred solution. No I didn't write it, I actually found it via another website and liked the idea. Note: It has a number of counters to cloaking, local is no longer a source of intel, intel is no from anchorable and destructable sources, and even NPC null is discussed.

http://interstellarprivateer.wordpress.com/2013/01/06/unbreaking-local/

I think I'll just take a page from your book

Bad solution.
It means I have to do more stuff and I don't want to do anything more. I have the right to not have to do any more than I do now, even if it's as trivial as clicking, cos I dunno, entitlement or whatever excuse you wanna use.

And you can't even do that right.

How about this, since botting is an issue...we have PvE pilots have to type in a captcha while ratting, mining or any type of PvE anywhere in game or else you get logged off.

Personally, I think its a ridiculous idea and given how captchas have to change and evolve to keep ahead of the bots they've become practically unreadable....but seems only fair right? You could be a botter with your 8 accounts and so we need to be sure and check, right? So instead of targeting just botters (or trying to) we'll just make a blanket inconvenience for just about every player in the game.

For all intents and purposes though, you ARE AFK. And it's a "ridiculous demand"? Really?

Please in all seriousness consider how much effort we are talking realistically. Then compare that to the extra effort you want other people to have to exert for your idea. Do you not see how what you ask, for a complete revamp of local, would be considerably more ridiculous a demand if you plotted them on a scale?
You can;t honestly be suggesting that a full effort based intel system would be less effort than a click every 15 minutes.

Further to this you do not have to click every 15 minutes, even under my idea. You will not be removed from the game, you will simply be warped to safety. When the "ready up" call is made, you will be warped back to where you are as soon as you x up, so it's quite literally ZERO extra effort.

No wonder you are so hesitant to post the details. That link is a massive wall of text! And talk about re-designing Eve with even greater complexity. It's like the difference between the board game Axis and Allies and World at War expansion.


Technically, you don't have to warp out. You could always reset your cloak while on grid, or on a perch. Either way, I prefer the auto-log timer to the cloak cycle timer, tbph.


Hey, I told you that I have had an issue confusing your position with Nikk's for some time now due to the great amount of synergy you two have had in directly supporting each other's posts. PS: I never made that claim about NPC null. I only asked how your solution would work in each kind of space. So maybe you could spare me a little and stop making incorrect inferences. It is reasonable to expect someone to take what you say at face value.


There is nothing misleading about an infinite number of ships traveling through the Titan bridge. I have seen hundreds of ships jump through a bridge at a time. The other post, I didn't call everyone a liar, but instead just said that in Eve it is common to mislead and deceive. Also, very true indeed.

Just because there is a misunderstanding does not mean that there is any intent to mislead. Instead, it means that there are probably a lot of other people misunderstanding and that better communication is required in order to accurately convey your ideas.


It does appear like something you would have written. No, you should not imply that I am accusing you of actually haven written it. Yes, it is an overhaul of Eve. Personally, I prefer much smaller changes, more simplicity, more automation allowed, more content, less afk. Smaller changes makes it easier for the players to adjust and easier for the developers to implement in a timely manner at less expense and with less bugs. Simplicity avoids increasing the incredible learning curve already characterizing Eve Online. Automation allows us to create and implement more complex tactics because our time and attention is freed from the trivial processes; the less intelligent will only see the option to become more bored.

WTF?

Dude I've posted that link like 3-4 times in this thread.

Maybe if you try paying attention you might get somewhere.

Seriously you come off as a arrogant troll...because you can't be bothered to read other people's posts...which then you complain and whine about so bitterly.

?!?!?!?
Pot... meet kettle.

There is some degree of automation in Eve, and probably always will be. For example, POS send out alerts automatically to relevant corp members regarding fuel, attacks, etc. I don't have a problem with this. And it wouldn't need to be automated in the sense of it sends out a warning to pilots. It could be something one has to check and maybe refresh much like D-scan.

And there is effort here in terms of putting the intel system in place, and even designing it. Which systems will get the best upgrades, which ones lesser upgrades. As well as maintaining it if attacked. Not to mention that some of the items on this list would need a higher level of sovereignty. It could even be tied to system indices, higher indices the better the allowable intel.

As for your half AFK miner, I think this would still work in that situation. If he is half AFK he is also likely doing a poor job checking the intel system to see if there is anything to worry about.

And it is an idea, not something that final and beyond discussion, but if people are going to discuss it...FFS, read it first and don't say, "Oh you just want to get rid of local for easy kills." That's lazy and dishonest (and that last isn't aimed at you Nikk.)

I find that automation which promotes activity is beneficial, while automation that grants opportunities to evade other players, is bad.

The POS alerts, these encourage group activity. When shields get reinforced, that is a call to action most null residents know about.
Autopilot, on the other hand, would have diminished capacity for group activity, except that they arranged for it's use to increase exposure & risk, which is a balance as to what a pilot chooses... safety with more effort, or risk with little to no effort.

Whenever you pit uncertainty with human flaws and efforts, you get an interesting game.


No worries, I wish I had that talent for presentation this fellow has.
A significant number of problems with my ideas track back to my explaining them poorly, not the idea itself so much.

Except... this... will... never... change....
What is the point of derailing a thread into a solution that will never ever happen every 5 minutes?

Besides, Teckos has resolved all of this. No change should be made if it causes anyone any extra effort, regardless of how much effort that is. in that light, we should get onto looking at changes to add more automation.