Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Do you have a name for the module? Why not just let it be special probes launched from the standard probe launchers?

Offline the module to warp or just deactivate it? How about fleet warp and have other ships on grid go there while you are stuck? Are you cloaked too and movable? I would say that you can only load these cloak probes while cloaked and decloak instantly recalls/unloads them. So it would be appropriate that you have to be cloaked in order to probe cloaked vessels.

So if you land at the location and the vessel was moving, you will likely be greater than 2500m and will not decloak them OR know which direction they were moving or how far they would be by the time you gain control of your ship after warp. So how would you lock them? Are you proposing a module that allows you to see and target cloaked vessels? How far away could you see AND target cloaked vessels? If targeting decloaks a cloaked ship, then how would cloak vessels ever escape a gate camp if they could be instantly seen and targeted by a ship with this capability? Is there a range limit to being able to see a cloaked vessel? How will cloaked vessels escape gate camps? Will cloaked vessels then be no different than any other ship, except for cov cyno bridges and a few other niche roles? Will this not destroy most uses for cloaks in all of Eve?

My ideas were designed to have minimal impact on any ship class and to treat them all about the same as possible to give no clear advantage to any particular side. Even the cyno blob can continue their tactics with only a small change in tactics. Your idea seems to threaten everything cloaky, and I cannot feel comfortable with making cloaked vessels that easy to see. The 2500m decloaking radius is fairly large from my experience as a cov pilot, so any increase in this radius by a decloaking lock will make it extremely easy to be locked down just like any other ship and leave you wondering, "why am I not flying a non-cloaky ship?" Feel free to revise your ideas if you wish. How far can a ship see a cloaky ship with this module or cloaky probe loaded? Would the cloaked ship be able to know that he was being seen or locked? What tactics would be best for the cloaky ship in that scenario if there were some kind of indicator that a ship was entering grid that could see him? Would there be an anti-cloak targeting module? Or an anti-anti cloak targeting module? just kidding on the last one. :)

Let's have some more details. Range on a cloak locking module? Range on cloak visibility? Other details? Or revisions to the idea?

The amount of deviation is non existent where unspecified, except where noted.


1. Simply called the hunting module by myself, if CCP wants to give it a fancier name, that is up to them.
When the module is active, any probes in use are able to see cloaked vessels as if they were uncloaked, all other details follow that aspect from that point.

2. Exactly the same results if you were using a cloak, and the same use details. For the ships that cannot warp cloaked, they would also need to shut down the hunting module before attempting to warp.
The hunting module is not compatible with other active modules, including cloaks, so cannot be used at the same time.
You can see them as if they were uncloaked, and you can target them with your ship the same way.

3. THEY ARE TREATED AS UNCLOAKED TO YOUR SHIP.
If they are on grid, you can see them like you would normally, as if they had been uncloaked.
If they are in targeting range, you can target and lock them. This drops their cloak to EVERYONE.
If you are not interested in watching for other cloaked vessels, you can shut down your module as well, you no longer need it to see the previously cloaked vessel, and shooting at it requires the hunting module to be toggled off in any case.

4. This would not work against the gate cloak effect, as that is not the result of a cloaking module's use.
The ship attempting to leave would be wanting to get out before being locked by the hunting module equipped ship.
(The hunting ship cannot fire when using the module, so no smart bombs or auto-targeting items)
The devs can obviously decide balance details as they see fit, perhaps they will block the use of a hunting module from seeing anything inside of a warp bubble. I know the WH crowd wants this blocked from their space.

That is actually a short version description from the second link in my signature.

It is NOT meant to be a standalone solution.

It goes only when balanced by the item in the first signature link.

In simplest terms, it is a trade off.

Local no longer displays cloaked vessels. (Or anything in an Outpost or POS either)
Cloaked vessels can be hunted.

The Lucas and Andy are arguing against the first part, and trying to automate the second so the cloaked vessel needs to leave on it's own.
(Effectively, by kicking out any client not classified as active for at least XX minutes)

You would really need to check the full explanation in the individual threads.

As to the cloak hunting, it is the exact mirror image of cloaking itself, in hardware and skill requirements.
Without local to tip off those who would be willing to hunt, you would need to expose yourself or they would need to be proactive in searching "just in case" a cloaked ship was in the system.

Even with uncloaked ships, however, a small signature can be difficult to hunt down, and they will always know they can be hunted, just not when it happens unless tipped off.

I find it interesting that you object to the cloaked hunting aspect. These fellows are quite passionate that my solution is a handout to cloaked ships for easy kills against PvE targets.

I understand the idea but I disagree with the proposed mechanics.

What part(s) do you disagree with?

Hah, i think you nailed it pretty damn good on how Teckos and Nikk want's to unbalance and destroy EVE Online here Lucas.

Anyone who doesn't see this one coming that Lucas is saying here, is completely useless at EVE and don't have any clues what so ever about how EVE works.

I don't think i have to say anything more than that.

Ad hominem, good start.

No, what I'm sayign is that RIGHT NOW, it's balanced. If a PVE pilot is doing everything in his power to not die, he won't, but at the same time he can't continue to PVE. So if a perfect PVP pilot meets a perfect PVE pilot, it's a draw. What these guys want is a change that means that even if the PVE pilot does everythign exactly right, there's stil la chance they would get killed, which is obviously moronic. And it has jack all to do with bots.

Erm... read the first post. In that you will find links to threads raised by different people about the same issue. If that enormous volume of threads isn't an indication that the general consensus is "no AFK play". Not to mention that even if this change Nikk wants was put in, people like me still would not be affected, since I have thousands of alliance members to ensure my intel structure is top notch. The people that would suffer most are the smaller alliances or the NPC null alliances that wouldn't be able to put in the level of infrastructure. It would in fact make it easier to defend space than to attack it, and further enforce the role of blobbing in null. So if what you want is stronger blobs in null, then you are backing the right people.

Really? You may need to do a bit of investigating into my PVE activities. Most o them I do from a station, being a manufacturer and trader and all. My guys in Solitude high sec currently do the most amount of PVE. My null PVE activities pretty much end at PI these days. And occasionally I crack out an isboxer mining fleet in high sec to destroy a few ice belts.
And yes, player driven activities are better. But you don't make more player driven activities by taking a single group (in this case cloakers) and making them vastly more powerful than all other groups. What Nikk wants is to get easy kills. He doesn't give a **** about the rest of the game, or how much content is player driven, as long as he gets to stroke his epeen.

By the way, have you actually read the change I want? I want ALL AFK players to be marked with an icon and warped to deadspace if in space after a certain amount of time. Like logging off but not. I don't like any AFK activities, and I strongly believe you should have to be at your PC in order to be playing a game. I don't think that's too much to ask to be honest.

Comedy from you? Surprises each day!

Now, consider the result if AFK players are removed. Every name you see in local can now be reasonably classified as "verified to be active".

I know some have made the ridiculous claim, that NOONE ever falls for the idea that a hostile name might be AFK. Even if they first showed up 12 hours earlier. And their kills have all taken place in a different specific time range.
We also have seen a few posts indicating that SOME pilots have been fooled by this. Even if those posters spoke for themselves exclusively, it kills the claim that NOONE is being fooled.
Enough players ARE being fooled, to establish this as a legitimate tactic.

This change you seek would KILL this legitimate tactic.