Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Even without the risk of a cyno people would still hide from a cloaked battlebadger because people are stupid.

If you don't believe me then go get something with a cloak and park in a system that has a functioning cyno jammer, people will STILL hide from you even if your ship cannot mount a covops cyno.

Also the day you come up with a good idea is the day my fiance comes back from the dead.

Opinion.

I find it unreasonable to think that when you own an entire system, the gates would not scan and report on any vessel passing through it. In fact come to think of it, perhaps on top of their name, it should also be reporting on shiptype, as these are both easily obtained from the overview, so why would it be difficult for the gates to scan this too?

So CCP: Please add shiptype to local.

You are either kidding, or deliberately avoiding seeing the simple truth.

NO scanning method exists, that can see a player not even present in the system yet. Local chat does this, however, by listing the pilot's name and standings. Referring to a delay at all, without the context that it is being compared to being first listed in local, is absurd.

The undisputed fact, that this gives free bonus time to a defending player, is obvious.
Every moment between when that pilot's name appears, and the first action they are able to take upon loading the system, is a free gift to every local player in that system.
They did not earn this ability, but when combined with safety structures only a blob can threaten, they suddenly have the ability to chose whether they engage in PvP, while being able to delay this choice in order to make ISK.
To put another way, it is obvious that a pilot behind POS shields or docked cannot be directly threatened. This delay gives them the ability to transfer into that posture before any threat to them can manifest.


That is a highly biased opinion, and is not supported by any meaningful facts.

A proper change, (to local), could be equally said to be something the rest of EVE has been wanting from the start.

If I can choose a fit that lets me make ISK, and still be able to avoid threats, I am overpowered.

I am no longer playing against other players.
I am then playing against a timer, and it is defined by what is both cost effective and capable of reaching me. I don't need to worry about a super dropping on a frigate, or any situation where it would take a ship valued at 10x or more in ISK value to threaten me.

If you isolate a cyno from a cloak, you make the cyno something that can be removed effectively.
With the removal of the cyno, also goes the risk. You know for certain that any single presence in your local chat, that you cannot find, is also something that cannot effectively threaten.

Maybe you'll even chat with them.

And this isn't highly biased opinion?
I've seen far far FAR more people against the nuking of local than for it, and I've been about for 8 and a half years.

And yet, this threat has no direct value to the player who is cloaked.

Outside of a few sad instances where players have paid off someone to leave, this cloaked player is not making ISK at all as a result of his cloaking.

The PvE players can either be perfectly safe, but make no ISK, or accept an uncertain amount of risk in order to make ISK mining or ratting, etc.

Perhaps if these PvE players also fit cloaks, for such portable security you described, they could be equally safe.

Problem solved.

You miss the key issue here.
The PVP player's goal is not to make isk. The PVP player is not unable to make isk, they are choosing not to. And as it is now, the PVE players do accept that there is an inherent risk, but deal with that by fitting well and playing correctly.
You want no amount of skill to protect a PVE player, while making PVP players able to evade considerably easier. Sounds like a great way to kill EVE.

No, at no point have I said all PVP has to be consensual. You just want all PVP to be mandatory. If you want to get a kill, that PVE player HAS to fight. that's what you want.

I'm championing the idea that a ship built to evade CAN EVADE if he remains in an environment he can control. You want it to be that no matter how well a PVE pilot plays, and no matter how well he fits and no matter how much he knows, the PVP pilot still can get him if they just try a bit. It's utterly moronic.

No matter what way you try to throw it, we can all clearly see that you just want easy kills. Well you aren't ruining EVE just so you can rub your epeen. Go play COD.

An extreme argument falls the moment it is revealed as such.

I want the player who makes the most effort to win. I do not care if he is PvE, or PvP.
You can't say someone is truly playing against someone else, if both sides do not have an equal chance to win.

Why should we reward players who make less effort with greater rewards?
I would expect your successes do not owe themselves to such handouts, but instead to the efforts you made.

How many times do we have to cover this?
Firstly, effort cannot be measured, thus you can't simply say "oh, lets reward the most effort". A PVE players is likely to have considered a lot in his strategy to ensure escape is an option.

Secondly, your solution doesn't reward effort. It rewards cloakers. Plain and simple. A cloaked pilot would be considerably more effective at solo hunting than a non cloaked pilot. Would you really consider the fitting of a cloak module to constitute effort? I certainly wouldn't.

Thirdly, if you did reward effort in that way, meaning that if a PVP player tried hard enough, he would guarantee a kill, that would be refined and would simply become THE method of fighting against a PVE pilot, thus ensuring the guarantee of death against the PVE pilot. There are not enough random elements in EVE to make that not the case.